Evaluation of PAM replicas - Review Guide Announcement

[ALE7575]

Hi,
I noticed 199 mentioned in the first page but no classification yet?
Does anyone have any comments on this one?
Thanks
Phil

PAM 199
The PAM 199 is very similar to PAM 024 but has a nice Woven textured dial. The gen PAM 199 was a Unique Special Edition of 500 pieces to commemorate the “Regatta†Laureus Sports Awards 2004.
The PAM Submersibles are the most heavily-built regular Panerai, with most design hints taken from the vintage Egiziano. They have milled unidirectional bezel. The hands are skeleton, as in the GMT. They are automatic watches, with small seconds @9 and a date window @3.
If you are looking for a Panerai Submersible with Textured dial it is better going to a PAM 025 from DSN, or better avoid the textured dial and go to the excellent PAM 243.
REPLICA links:
http://www.puretime.co/product/pam199-submersible-ultimate-edition/
http://www.timesshop.net/2116-pa9497---panerai-regatta-luminor-submersible-black-dial-rubber---asia-7750-28800bph.html
http://www.trustytime.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=37_47&products_id=1319
http://www.1-pc8838.com/pn20301-1950-days-p-549.html
GEN links:
http://www.paneraisource.com/watch_details/Special_119.html
http://www.paneristi.com/reference/vendome/specials04.html
http://www.panerai.com/s_special_editions.xpd?id_lingua=2&id_sezione=16&id_prodotto=3107&id_categoria=3084

Does anyone have any thought on the 329L? How would everyone rate this watch?

The watch you are showing is a PAM 320 the Pam 329 is the same but with SS bracelet

PAM 329
The PAM 329 is the same as PAM 320 but with SS bracelet. These watches were introduced in 2009 L-series.
The bracelet is the new bracelet design of Panerai introduced in 2006 with the PAM 328, this new bracelet is not as unique as the old Panerai bracelet but is nice and more comfortable to wear. The watch is actually like a PAM 328 but with GMT function. But it is powered by the new Panerai P.9001 “Manifattura†movement instead of the P.9000. Like the P.9000, this is an automatic movement with a power reserve of three days, but the P.9001 has a power reserve indicator (at the backside) and it has a GMT function built-in.
The watch PAM 329 is also very similar to the PAM 233, but the PAM 233 has leather strap, an AM/PM indicator and another indicator @6 for the Power Reserve.
The silver GMT second time zone hand rotates once every 12 hours. The GMT function of the PAM 233 works the same way, but, as above said, the PAM 329 lacks an AM/PM indicator. Although you cannot tell if it is day or night in the second time zone, one will know that the 2nd time zone is ahead or not anyway. The absence of the AM/PM indicator certainly does make for a cleaner looking dial. The fact that the second time zone hands moves along with the hour hand makes it very easy and natural to tell the time in the other time zone. This GMT function is much better than the 24 hour GMT function of for instance the PAM88. It's also nice that you can hide the second time zone hand behind the hour hand when you don't need it, which again results in a much cleaner looking dial. The PAM329 has a 1950's style case with a Display caseback and Black Sandwich dial. The gen PAM 329 has a special Panerai “Manifatturaâ€movement P.9001, therefore, for the rep it is impossible to be close to the gen with a display caseback. Please bear in mind if you are looking for a big accuracy.
There are cheap replicas fitted with A23J movement and quite good replicas fitted with A7750 movements.
REPLICA links:
http://www.puretime.co/product/pam329-l-best-edition/
http://www.puretime.co/product/pam329-panerai-luminor-1950-3-days-gmt-automatic-on-ss-bracelet/
http://www.timesshop.net/11754-pa0460s-pam329-luminor-gmt-black-dial-ss-ss-asian-7750.html
http://asian7750.com/cn/product_show.asp?big_pid=&ps_id=&P_id=2078&ti=
http://www.trustytime.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=37_49&products_id=7597
http://www.trustytime.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=37_49&products_id=6914
GEN links:
http://www.paneraisource.com/watch_details/Contemporary_241.html
http://www.panerai.com/s_page.xpd?id_lingua=2&id_sezione=16&id_prodotto=9037&id_categoria=9034

 

[Luxuriouzicon]

Haii guyz.. I wanna share bout Pam 104n by noob.. I think is a not super reps.. Why? Because :

1. The second dial is really2 poor to deep for me.. I think pam 104i by h-fact better than 104n by noob.. The quality of dial n sapphire by h-factory is the best..

2. Lug bar its not perfect 1mm more deep from the side case..

3. Marker its to green in uncharge condition..

I think pam 104 by noob just only have a good CG n CP no more..
Sorry to say but this is the fact..

I'll upload the pics ASAP..

Thx,
Lux..

 

[ALE7575]

Haii guyz.. I wanna share bout Pam 104n by noob.. I think is a not super reps.. Why? Because :

1. The second dial is really2 poor to deep for me.. I think pam 104i by h-fact better than 104n by noob.. The quality of dial n sapphire by h-factory is the best..

2. Lug bar its not perfect 1mm more deep from the side case..

3. Marker its to green in uncharge condition..

I think pam 104 by noob just only have a good CG n CP no more..
Sorry to say but this is the fact..

I'll upload the pics ASAP..

Thx,
Lux..

Thanks for the info
Really at this moment they are classified as First Class reps. Considering upgrade them to Super if people say they have the merits.
Your opinion is clearly negative and I will bear in mind but I need the pics and more inputs to do something to modify the current evaluation
Thanks again

ALE

 

[Luxuriouzicon]

Thanks for the info
Really at this moment they are classified as First Class reps. Considering upgrade them to Super if people say they have the merits.
Your opinion is clearly negative and I will bear in mind but I need the pics and more inputs to do something to modify the current evaluation
Thanks again

ALE

Oke ALE ill upload photo ASAP..

 

[Phil_UK]

Awesome response re 199 Ale!
Cheers

 

[mano36]

hi all

what about new born pam232 from DSN?

tks

 

[ALE7575]

hi all

what about new born pam232 from DSN?

tks

Hi mano
You are timely because at this moment I was finishing the evaluation of this Radiomir PAM 232 from DSN as a First Class rep.
The other maker have some inaccuracies and we must consider them as Low grade replicas.
See below my comments about this watch


PAM 232
EVALUATION: (*) FIRST CLASS REP (DSN models), LOW GRADE (other models)
The gen Radiomir 47mm PAM 232, is surely one of the most iconic watches of all the pieces that Panerai produced in recent years, it is a Special Edition of 1938 pieces in 2006. Recently Panerai released a few OOR (out-of-range) units. To some that was great news as it meant there was an opportunity to buy the watch at list price, but others feel that it's not so great to produce more pieces of a Special Edition watch.
PAM 232 is based in the vintage Panerai from 1938, “3646” model, with Brown Sandwich dial 12-3-6-9 numerals and sticks and gold hands. This vintage model had solid caseback and Dome Plexi crystal, the PAM 232 has solid caseback too, but has sapphire crystal without dome and has a movement OP X instead of Rolex Cal 318 like the vintage, moreover the gen PAM 232 doesn’t have “Double-pencil” shape hands like the vintage models (the hands are pointed on both sides)
Before PAM 232, Panerai released the PAM 021 (year 1997, Special Edition of 60 watches) seemingly the same watch, but actually very different because it is made of Platinum, has Display caseback and movement Rolex Cal 618 like the original vintage Panerai watch.
Therefore the PAM 232 is a modern SS version of the PAM 021 made of Platinum. They have very similar Brown Sandwich dial with gold hands, but some experts say that the colour and nuances of the PAM 021 are way better than in the PAM 232.
In 2010 Panerai released the PAM 294 a Special Edition of 49 watches, very similar to PAM 232 but with Dome Plexi crystal and Display casebak like the PAM 021.
Nowadays in 2011 Panerai has launched a 2000 pieces Special Edition of PAM 390 in case Luminor with solid caseback but with a design and dial based in the vintage 3646, the PAM 232 and PAM 021.
Therefore, there is a saga starting in year 1938 with PAM “3646” and following in1997 PAM 021, 2006 PAM 232, 2010 PAM 294 and 2011 the Luminor PAM 390.
There are replicas PAM 232 from regular dealers and from DSN.
The replicas from regular dealers have inaccurate “double-pencil” shape hands, surely because they use the hands from models like PAM 372-373-376-379 and 425. They are Low grade reps.
The replicas from DSN have accurate hand shape (the hands are pointed just at the end) and we can consider them as First Class replicas.
REPLICA links:
http://www.puretime.co/product/pam232/
http://www.trustytime.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=37_46&products_id=856
(*)http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/new-born-232-101511
(*)http://s1113.photobucket.com/albums/k515/dsnwatches/Pam%20radiomir%20steel%2047mm%20watches/New%20Born%20%20232%20up%20graded%20in%20april%20%202012/
GEN links:
http://www.paneraisource.com/watch_details/Special_141
http://www.paneristi.http://www.paneristi.com/reference/vendome/specials06.htmlcom/reference/vendome/specials06
http://www.panerai.com/s_special_editions.xpd?id_lingua=2&id_sezione=16&id_prodotto=5844&id_categoria=5824

Thanks for your contribution
ALE

 

[mano36]

hi Ale

haha just in time.tks
what didnt make it to be a super rep?

tks

 

[ALE7575]

hi Ale

haha just in time.tks
what didnt make it to be a super rep?

tks

(I have corrected the comment about the DSN which was wrong)

Really it is difficult have an authentical Super Rep. Even the Super reps have some flaws.
The dials and cases from DSN have very good construction, but IMO they don't arrive to the quality of the new Super reps from Noob and H maker
But I repeat it is a taste question in many cases.
If you like the PAM 232 you have the Luminor version PAM 390. It is an awesome Super Rep, one of the best in the market and one of the most beautiful Panerais. Believe me
ALE

 

[countit]

Thanks you for the great info, Ale!

Do you know if accommodating a GMT hand on a 7750 movement requires a hack? I'm trying to understand if this combination will be reliable and prone to malfunction.

Thanks again!

The watch you are showing is a PAM 320 the Pam 329 is the same but with SS bracelet

PAM 329
The PAM 329 is the same as PAM 320 but with SS bracelet. These watches were introduced in 2009 L-series.
The bracelet is the new bracelet design of Panerai introduced in 2006 with the PAM 328, this new bracelet is not as unique as the old Panerai bracelet but is nice and more comfortable to wear. The watch is actually like a PAM 328 but with GMT function. But it is powered by the new Panerai P.9001 “Manifattura†movement instead of the P.9000. Like the P.9000, this is an automatic movement with a power reserve of three days, but the P.9001 has a power reserve indicator (at the backside) and it has a GMT function built-in.
The watch PAM 329 is also very similar to the PAM 233, but the PAM 233 has leather strap, an AM/PM indicator and another indicator @6 for the Power Reserve.
The silver GMT second time zone hand rotates once every 12 hours. The GMT function of the PAM 233 works the same way, but, as above said, the PAM 329 lacks an AM/PM indicator. Although you cannot tell if it is day or night in the second time zone, one will know that the 2nd time zone is ahead or not anyway. The absence of the AM/PM indicator certainly does make for a cleaner looking dial. The fact that the second time zone hands moves along with the hour hand makes it very easy and natural to tell the time in the other time zone. This GMT function is much better than the 24 hour GMT function of for instance the PAM88. It's also nice that you can hide the second time zone hand behind the hour hand when you don't need it, which again results in a much cleaner looking dial. The PAM329 has a 1950's style case with a Display caseback and Black Sandwich dial. The gen PAM 329 has a special Panerai “Manifatturaâ€movement P.9001, therefore, for the rep it is impossible to be close to the gen with a display caseback. Please bear in mind if you are looking for a big accuracy.
There are cheap replicas fitted with A23J movement and quite good replicas fitted with A7750 movements.
REPLICA links:
http://www.puretime.co/product/pam329-l-best-edition/
http://www.puretime.co/product/pam329-panerai-luminor-1950-3-days-gmt-automatic-on-ss-bracelet/
http://www.timesshop.net/11754-pa0460s-pam329-luminor-gmt-black-dial-ss-ss-asian-7750
http://asian7750.com/cn/product_show.asp?big_pid=&ps_id=&P_id=2078&ti=
http://www.trustytime.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=37_49&products_id=7597
http://www.trustytime.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=37_49&products_id=6914
GEN links:
http://www.paneraisource.com/watch_details/Contemporary_241
http://www.panerai.com/s_page.xpd?id_lingua=2&id_sezione=16&id_prodotto=9037&id_categoria=9034

 

[ALE7575]

Thanks you for the great info, Ale!

Do you know if accommodating a GMT hand on a 7750 movement requires a hack? I'm trying to understand if this combination will be reliable and prone to malfunction.

Thanks again!

Oh my friend, Unfortunately I'm not a watch movement expert, you should ask members like Wiz or similar. Sorry .... LOL
All I can say is that many replicas GMT Panerai work perfectly with A7750 mvmts
As follows:
PAM 088-089-156-228-297-186-252-320-329
I think that answers your final question.

ALE

 

[ALE7575]

THIS EVALUATION IS CLOSED 23 JUNE 2012 BECAUSE NOW IT IS ALREADY STARTED THE :

REFERENCE PAM REVIEW - GUIDE
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/reference-pam-review-107365?t=107365



FROM THIS MOMENT ALL EVALUATION CHANGES WILL BE MADE IN THE PAM REVIEW-GUIDE
THEREFORE PLEASE CONSULT AND MAKE EVALUATIONS AND COMMENTS IN ABOVE MENTIONED THREAD

ALE

 

[Tezzbro]

Nice