The DD4801 is the same as the SL-4801 which is the street legal Dandong version of the Rolex 4130. I mention it in the context or the ARF Daytona movement. It’s not a bad movement although it has some quirks like a one-way winding automatic rotor, so it can be loud in the other direction.What an amazing culmination of information and an invaluable resource. Thank you.
I’m studying it and feel like I’m starting to get a handle on the basics. I’m realizing it might be helpful to actually understand how the parts go together and make a watch function in the first place
I recently came across a Daytona rep from DIWF that is a DiW rep in a carbon fiber case. It is definitely a departure form a traditional Daytona and the case back is closed so I am less concerned about visible difference and more concerned about functionality and reliability. The movement is referenced as a DD4801. I didn’t see that referenced in your write up. Do you have any insights to share on this movement?
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It looks like there might be a new version of the VR/SH3235 movement coming out. The VR/SH3235 movement is a hybrid 32xx/31xx design. The balance side is mostly 32xx style and the dial side is mostly 31xx design. But I just saw a 41mm sub release from THB posted on Trusty Time, and the pictures of the movement show a SH3235 (counter clockwise hairspring) with the large pivot hole of the 32xx style keyless winding intermediate wheel. In my most recent update to the guide, I noted the release of a v2 of the SH3255 movement which was based on the SH3285 which was a full 32xx design (although not fully gen parts compatible like the DD32xx movements). I think we're seeing a consolidation of the 32xx movement lineup from Shanghai movement factory onto a full 32xx design.
I think there might be a new sub-variation of the SH4131 that's appeared in EWE Daytonas. I just saw pics posted on Trusty Time and this looks like a Shanghai 4131 (it has a counter clockwise coil to the hairspring), but there's a black dot on the hairspring stud (beat adjuster) rather than the dot being silver as is found in a standard SH4131 v2. It also looks like the movement used in the EWE Daytonas has some sort of fake decoration plate on top of the rotor mount. Also, the EWE movement appears to have silk screen printing for the text rather than the text being engraved into the movement. All of these things could explain the lower price point of the EWE Daytona. Additionally, it appears that the EWE version isn't using a paraflex shock setting.
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But is it still reliable? Also will this last long same as dd4131? If 4801 somehow breaks, can there be fixed and replacement of parts
The DL4801 is about 80% the same as the 4131 design. The major areas where it is different are: Keyless works, chronograph pusher mechanism, and automatic works. There's nothing super sketchy in the design. I don't expect it to have issues long term. Additionally, if you do have problems it is possible to purchase replacement SL4801 movements because it is an official product from Dandong (Peacock), unlike the DD4130 and DD4131 which are clandestine products that may or may not be manufactured long term.
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i was just one theonewatches site and all the noticed all the clean watches have been updated to reflect the SH32XX movementI think there might be a new sub-variation of the SH4131 that's appeared in EWE Daytonas. I just saw pics posted on Trusty Time and this looks like a Shanghai 4131 (it has a counter clockwise coil to the hairspring), but there's a black dot on the hairspring stud (beat adjuster) rather than the dot being silver as is found in a standard SH4131 v2. It also looks like the movement used in the EWE Daytonas has some sort of fake decoration plate on top of the rotor mount. Also, the EWE movement appears to have silk screen printing for the text rather than the text being engraved into the movement. All of these things could explain the lower price point of the EWE Daytona. Additionally, it appears that the EWE version isn't using a paraflex shock setting.
I can't find my way around all these 3235 movements. Despite my research.
Which one is it? Thanks in advance.
Which one is it? Thanks in advance.
Are the latest SH3135 equal to the VR3135 or is it still inferior? I'm getting very confused!It looks like there might be a new version of the VR/SH3235 movement coming out. The VR/SH3235 movement is a hybrid 32xx/31xx design. The balance side is mostly 32xx style and the dial side is mostly 31xx design. But I just saw a 41mm sub release from THB posted on Trusty Time, and the pictures of the movement show a SH3235 (counter clockwise hairspring) with the large pivot hole of the 32xx style keyless winding intermediate wheel. In my most recent update to the guide, I noted the release of a v2 of the SH3255 movement which was based on the SH3285 which was a full 32xx design (although not fully gen parts compatible like the DD32xx movements). I think we're seeing a consolidation of the 32xx movement lineup from Shanghai movement factory onto a full 32xx design.
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Terrible naming convention.Are the latest SH3135 equal to the VR3135 or is it still inferior? I'm getting very confused!
Clean uses VR3235, which dealers and many people miscall SH3235, but there is no "SH3235" movement. There is no SH3235, they don't make it. The makers of the SH3135 do not make a SH3235 movement.
VR3135 and SH3135 however are different.
Also, Clean uses VS3135 in all their watches that need this movement (Submariners), they don't use VR3135 anymore.
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SH3135 is fine.... not the best but not the worst, it goes VS>VR>SH,
VR is absolutely fine, a tank movement, extremely stable, very good, maybe worse quality than VS but that's just in aesthetics imho
VS is the best of the best, no need to say it, although they always seem have to low date wheels
SH... it's fine... some reported failures but overall it's pretty good...
you may be confusing it with the SA3135 which is an absolutely no go movement in my books.
That looks like a vr3235 v2. Anticlockwise hairspring coil with outward facing adjustor arms.I can't find my way around all these 3235 movements. Despite my research.
Which one is it? Thanks in advance.
dogwood said:
It looks like there might be a new version of the VR/SH3235 movement coming out. The VR/SH3235 movement is a hybrid 32xx/31xx design. The balance side is mostly 32xx style and the dial side is mostly 31xx design. But I just saw a 41mm sub release from THB posted on Trusty Time, and the pictures of the movement show a SH3235 (counter clockwise hairspring) with the large pivot hole of the 32xx style keyless winding intermediate wheel. In my most recent update to the guide, I noted the release of a v2 of the SH3255 movement which was based on the SH3285 which was a full 32xx design (although not fully gen parts compatible like the DD32xx movements). I think we're seeing a consolidation of the 32xx movement lineup from Shanghai movement factory onto a full 32xx design.
This one you mean? New version VR/SH3235?
It looks like there might be a new version of the VR/SH3235 movement coming out. The VR/SH3235 movement is a hybrid 32xx/31xx design. The balance side is mostly 32xx style and the dial side is mostly 31xx design. But I just saw a 41mm sub release from THB posted on Trusty Time, and the pictures of the movement show a SH3235 (counter clockwise hairspring) with the large pivot hole of the 32xx style keyless winding intermediate wheel. In my most recent update to the guide, I noted the release of a v2 of the SH3255 movement which was based on the SH3285 which was a full 32xx design (although not fully gen parts compatible like the DD32xx movements). I think we're seeing a consolidation of the 32xx movement lineup from Shanghai movement factory onto a full 32xx design.
This one you mean? New version VR/SH3235?
Guide has been updated.
Added information about the new 3235 movement from Shanghai movement factory. I'm calling this the SH3235 (sorry @Reaps, your post from this morning was technically correct when you posted it). There are now three versions of the 3235 movement from Shanghai Movement Factory:
Corrected some info about the clone eta 2836 movements... @trailboss99 pointed this out three years ago, but it took me until now to realize the error of my ways. In my defence, the guide is now nearly 10,000 words long, so editing it isn't the kind of thing that one does lightly. And on that note, thank you @daytona4me for increasing the post character limit from 60,000 to 80,000 so I could save my update. Let's see how long it takes me to hit that new cap
Added information about the new 3235 movement from Shanghai movement factory. I'm calling this the SH3235 (sorry @Reaps, your post from this morning was technically correct when you posted it). There are now three versions of the 3235 movement from Shanghai Movement Factory:
- the original VR3235 which is hybrid 31xx+32xx design inward facing beat adjustor and regulator and fake hairspring stud
- an update of the original VR3235 which I've called the VR3235 v2. This movement is a hybrid 31xx+32xx design but with outward facing beat adjustor and regulator arms.
- a new 3235 movement that appears to be a full 32xx design (not a hybrid) with outward facing beat adjustor and regulator arms. I'm calling this movement the SH3235, but I suppose we could call it the VR3235 v3... But I think SH3235 would be better since it's made by Shanghai Movement factory (so the "SH" would be meaningful) and it appears to be a big enough change from the previous movements that we probably shouldn't continue to use the "VR" naming since this new movement is a clear departure from the hybrid design of the movements that came before. I'm open to suggestions on what we as a community should settle on in terms of naming conventions. I suspect this movement will be adopted by all the factories making Subs and DJs, so it would be good to come up with a meaningful name.
Corrected some info about the clone eta 2836 movements... @trailboss99 pointed this out three years ago, but it took me until now to realize the error of my ways. In my defence, the guide is now nearly 10,000 words long, so editing it isn't the kind of thing that one does lightly. And on that note, thank you @daytona4me for increasing the post character limit from 60,000 to 80,000 so I could save my update. Let's see how long it takes me to hit that new cap
Dogwood, sorry to bother you again. I'm completely lost. I'm being offered this one. What is it? To replace Clean's VR3285? Will it work?
This is an interesting movement and you’re right to be lost since this isn’t one that I have officially documented. This is a Shanghai movement (note counter clockwise coil of hairspring). It’s also a hybrid 31xx + 32xx design (note the small arbor protrusion from the crown intermediate winding wheel). So this movement isn’t a vr3186 because it has a 32xx balance side. But it’s also not an SH3285 because it has a 31xx dial side and keyless works. We don’t have an official name for this movement.Dogwood, sorry to bother you again. I'm completely lost. I'm being offered this one. What is it? To replace Clean's VR3285? Will it work?
You asked if this would be an adequate replacement for a Clean VR3285. But that’s a hard question since there’s no movement called the VR3285, and even if there were, Clean uses the DD3285 from Dandong. But my guess is that this movement will work in a case designed for a 32xx movement. But it won’t work in a case designed for a 31xx movement.
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To me that looks like the "fake clean" 3285 movement?
To me that looks like the "fake clean" 3285 movement?
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