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Compare ARF 116710LN with the VRF 116710LN

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srhoque said:
[h=1]Rolex 3185-660 - Module For Jumping Hours (GMT)[/h] The above is a must have change. However keep in mind, the more parts you replace with gen, the more reliable your VR3185 becomes. I would suggest changing all the wheels, the autowind module and the barrel/mainspring.

BTW, people on this forum needs to stop calling it VR3186, it is actually VR3185. The VR factory wrongly engraved 3186 into the movement.
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Thanks! Seems that this part is almost the same price as an entire movement. So I will keep it stock, if it dies I will throw in a new movement...
 
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Only 3185-660 is enough..really no other parts are needed.

the stock VR3135 Movement (which is based on the VR3185) is really good.
 
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occb2 said:
Part number 3185-660 needs replacing.
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How is this part "slipping"? I received mine and have yet to wind it as I want to service first. Is it a matter of the GMT hand not setting properly when setting, or is it slipping during regular timekeeping? Forgive me for the noobie question, I'm not understanding the actual problem.
 
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sickopsycho said:
I created another thread (and maybe this isn't the correct spot but the people who know this watch are in here) and it didn't get any attention. I'm wondering if there is a technical guide available for the 3185 movement. I have found them for sale on the bay, but I would prefer to not pay some schmuck for a freely distributed piece of literature. That is, of course, unless it is not freely distributed. Would anybody know where I could acquire such a manual, or at least where I could find one for less than $35? I'm looking for a parts explosion, tech assembly guide, lube guide. Something along the lines of this... https://www.ebay.com/itm/303106284744

Edit: clarification, I was hoping for a digital copy. And I didn't even see the additional shipping charge on that auction. I guess if they're selling for as much as they are, it's not likely that there is a free version available somewhere. But here's to hoping.
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Is this what you are talking about? I have all the 31XX movement service manuals. I can make a copy for you.
 
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These are some of the issues with the 3186. The jumper spring breaks.
 
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trailboss99 I will attempt to scan this to PDF if that is ok and share it with the guy asking about the question if it is ok. Or I can make a hard copy and mail it to you. I hope that answers your question.

Just a heads up. Please do not message me and ask me to send it to others.This is just the answer to one question. I don't want my PM box blown up. LOL.
 
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Also for those who what to know what part we are talking about on the 3185, here it is.
 
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I know it's a noob question but I have been searching now for some while and I can't find a topic about any comparisation for the pepsi. Which kind member could provide me with a link ?
 
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TudorGstaad said:
I know it's a noob question but I have been searching now for some while and I can't find a topic about any comparisation for the pepsi. Which kind member could provide me with a link ?
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wdym, there is no pepsi yet. The only pepsi is the noob version IIRC
 
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occb2 said:
There are two post going on. I explained it there. I will paste what I said there and also link that post.


"By far they are not TIMEBOMBS. They are repairable. Again what we are forgetting is that these are replicas of the real movement. The first generation of GMT reps that we have been building with real Rolex parts dumping about $1000 in parts to get a proper GMT 31XX. Now two came out. The ARF was rushed because of the VRF coming out.

I look at it completely different than most. I think this is extremely exciting. We now have 2 cases that fit rep or real 3185/86 movements and will take Rolex parts. No one has ever made a rep of a real GMT case. Going back to the 5 dig till now.

As far as the movements. I serviced the VRF one. Part number 3185-660 needs replacing. It is running great but after I saw Mike mention it, I tested it and indeed it slips and doesn't keep correct time with the GMT hand.

The ARF that I am using I want to replace the whole hour jumping mech from the wheel to the spring. I need to disassemble it.

Never the less. They are not "Time bombs"

If you are expecting a watch that you are going to throw on your wrist and work and run and look just like a Rolex 116710LN you can always go to an AD and buy one. If you are looking for a nice watch and throw a few hundred dollars at it wait till we figure it all out. There is no rush. They just came out a month or two ago and heck ARF didn't ship many and their parts, IE bracelet and full bezel assembly are the ones I would go with. The VRF has a lot better dial and case in my opinion but they are both great new toys to play with.

Right now if you are asking me which I would get I would say hold off if you just want to wear it. Both movements have issues that need to be addressed. They are simple fixes so If you are like me and service your reps you will have to get a few parts to correct the problem. If you want a turn key watch that you will just throw on wait."



Here is the link to that thread:

https://forum.replica-watch.info/fo...16710ln-clone-3186-gamechanging-battle/page19
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Thank you for your answer!

Someone linked before some aftermarket jumping hour springs for the 3186, would be cool to know if those are in any way compatible with the SH3186 from ARF. It would be amazing if yes, because this way you could cheaply fix it in case it breaks.
 
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If i change the Jumping Hour Springs on the ARF movement, will the problem be solved?I think we need to wait for occb2 to see the full movement, and tell us what problems does ir have on the construction.

If he realizes that the only problem is the jumping hour springs, then i think it worth to get the gen one as it´s not so expensive.
 
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Luizin2004 said:
If i change the Jumping Hour Springs on the ARF movement, will the problem be solved?I think we need to wait for occb2 to see the full movement, and tell us what problems does ir have on the construction.

If he realizes that the only problem is the jumping hour springs, then i think it worth to get the gen one as it´s not so expensive.
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The movement is still brand new, and there is no known issue with the ARF spring as it is. The main concern, as it's been expressed here, is that the genuine Rolex 3186 movement employs a spring that does a lot of work, but also is very fragile (the jumping hour click (spring), part #3186-657 shown in the previous tech sheet photo). The *thought* was that a rep of this part would be questionable, even though the Genuine article does not fail so much as to be a big issue. Only time and use will tell how it will stand up. The old "timebomb" 3186 (which was not in fact a 3186 at all) has a similar, but much different spring that performed the same task. After a short amount of use, it would fail- and there was not even a generic part to replace it with. To make matters worse, you could not simply drop in a different movement without much other work. This, and the replacement 3186 itself was unavailable for purchase. At least now, since these new clones have the option to accept gen (or generic gen) parts- we have options should something happen.
 
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sickopsycho said:
The movement is still brand new, and there is no known issue with the ARF spring as it is. The main concern, as it's been expressed here, is that the genuine Rolex 3186 movement employs a spring that does a lot of work, but also is very fragile (the jumping hour click (spring), part #3186-657 shown in the previous tech sheet photo). The *thought* was that a rep of this part would be questionable, even though the Genuine article does not fail so much as to be a big issue. Only time and use will tell how it will stand up. The old "timebomb" 3186 (which was not in fact a 3186 at all) has a similar, but much different spring that performed the same task. After a short amount of use, it would fail- and there was not even a generic part to replace it with. To make matters worse, you could not simply drop in a different movement without much other work. This, and the replacement 3186 itself was unavailable for purchase. At least now, since these new clones have the option to accept gen (or generic gen) parts- we have options should something happen.
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Very good points there.Thank you for taking time to explain.Really appreciate.



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For the ARF owner, do you think the gen insert is needed or not pls ?
 
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