Compare ARF 116710LN with the VRF 116710LN

[KJ2020]

Guys, what do you think about this.

Im going with the VRF 3185 movement, is it necessary or would it a good upgrade to add a full gen autowind module? (3135-145 should fit right?)

Or not worth it ?

I would see how the PR is with the rep module first. Obviously it will perform better if it is cleaned and lubed properly (along with the rest of the movement as well of course), but I haven't read any negative reports about it so far. It is based on the VR3135 which does not have the autowind issues of the SA/SH 3135's AFAIK.

 

[mega12]

My reserve is under testing until Monday. Then I can share my thoughts. Has already the green date disc mounted but impossible to capture. Maybe in sunlight under cyclops once finished.

 

[sickopsycho]

Bad news on the ARF 116622 bracelet. When I fit it up to the case, it looks perfect, but the lugs must be placed slightly different, because I could not get the pin to seat.
VRF bracelet is still wrapped in factory plastic...

 

[watchservicesny]

I just received my VRF 116710. Opened up the case and the movement is bone dry (and a bit dirty), so I want to service before I fully wind it up. I took the bracelet off my ARF 116622, it would appear as though it will fit at a glance- I'm currently giving it the "spa treatment"- washed it in the ultrasonic and it's soaking in baby oil. I've already broken it in pretty well, as it was my daily for the last few months... but some lube never hurt anybody,
I read a comment on this thread that someone received one with the correct case stamp on it. Mine has the same 126710 stamp on the case. I did receive the 904l steel polish tube and a cleaning cloth from VRF. Ordered through JTime. I can't read the instructions on it, so I assume it's polish.

I'm very impressed by how mine came. GMT hand lines up perfectly with the time, hands line up perfectly at 12, and the date flips over literally exactly at 12. I get the smallest amount of wiggle when I'm doing the quick hour adjust (crown position 2), but I can live with it. I'd rather swap out bezel assembly and crystal than worry about that wiggle at this point- but reading this thread has gotten my ambitions for this watch pretty high.



I assume the plate over the rotor screw is just stuck on there? Any trick to getting it off without munging it up? Just get something sharp in there behind it and it'll come up? I'm really impressed with the operation of the automatic module as well. I'm used to a noisy rotor so much so that I assumed it was stuck until I got the caseback off. I could not hear any indication of it moving inside the movement. Not only that, but it's buttery smooth... the slightest angle and it flies over to the other side, spinning smoothly. The crown winding seems smooth as well, very nice tactile feedback and very solid feeling... genlike. I really like it.

There is no screw or plate on that rotor
You can remove by sliding the clip with tweezers and the rotor will come off

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[KJ2020]

There is no screw or plate on that rotor
You can remove by sliding the clip with tweezers and the rotor will come off

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Thanks for that info Mike!

 

[sickopsycho]

There is no screw or plate on that rotor
You can remove by sliding the clip with tweezers and the rotor will come off

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Thank you for that. Guess I need to find a datasheet for the 3135... I definately appreciate the tip!

 

[sickopsycho]

Edit: double post by mistake.

 

[Cadows]

I have seen on some pics and videos VRF dial lume at 12 is totally different. Btw can gen 3135 DW fit these movements?

 

[watchservicesny]

I have seen on some pics and videos VRF dial lume at 12 is totally different. Btw can gen 3135 DW fit these movements?

Yes, straight fit


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[Cadows]

Yes, straight fit


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Thanks man

 

[mari115]

Any news about the arf gmt? i'm kinda scared since i just placed an order, but seems like some people say that they won't send it until after CNY?

Is this for real? isn't it scummy for TDs to keep quiet about this so that you'll send them the money first anyways? what the heck?

 

[occb2]

I'm curious on what you intend to do with the 318X movements in a 16610 case

The 3135 is the same size as a 3175. Both are the same and only hand pinions/wheels and an extra 24 hour wheel make the 3175. So you would have a CHS with quick set as the 16700 GMT was from Rolex.

The 3185/85 is a thicker movement and will not fit the case of a 3135.

 

[lolo1972sg]

The 3135 is the same size as a 3175. Both are the same and only hand pinions/wheels and an extra 24 hour wheel make the 3175. So you would have a CHS with quick set as the 16700 GMT was from Rolex.

The 3185/85 is a thicker movement and will not fit the case of a 3135.

Is there a good case for a 16710 build in the market now please?

 

[sickopsycho]

Exatd them the money first anyways? what the heck?[/QUOTE]

I asked my TD about an ARF bracelet and was told it would be after CNY due to backorder. I assume the orders just came in so quickly they went on backorder. His exact words were "...due to ARF still have no stock for this watch model, so I can not source it recent days. Shall be sourceable after CNY holiday in February"

 

[jcast45]

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Nonetheless my idea is to wait for ARF Batman, replace all necessary parts by gen LN parts and then be able to switch once I’m in the mood

Any idea on when an ARF Batman may be coming out?

 

[sickopsycho]

I created another thread (and maybe this isn't the correct spot but the people who know this watch are in here) and it didn't get any attention. I'm wondering if there is a technical guide available for the 3185 movement. I have found them for sale on the bay, but I would prefer to not pay some schmuck for a freely distributed piece of literature. That is, of course, unless it is not freely distributed. Would anybody know where I could acquire such a manual, or at least where I could find one for less than $35? I'm looking for a parts explosion, tech assembly guide, lube guide. Something along the lines of this... https://www.ebay.com/itm/303106284744

Edit: clarification, I was hoping for a digital copy. And I didn't even see the additional shipping charge on that auction. I guess if they're selling for as much as they are, it's not likely that there is a free version available somewhere. But here's to hoping.

 

[occb2]

Is there a good case for a 16710 build in the market now please?

No. As of now there are none. I am waiting for someone to come out with one. I have all the parts to build a killer one!!! Dial hands and full bezel assembly and crystal and crystal ring.

 

[markiemark]

What is the part that needs to be replaced with a gen part to make the VR3186 more reliable?

 

[occb2]

There are two post going on. I explained it there. I will paste what I said there and also link that post.


"By far they are not TIMEBOMBS. They are repairable. Again what we are forgetting is that these are replicas of the real movement. The first generation of GMT reps that we have been building with real Rolex parts dumping about $1000 in parts to get a proper GMT 31XX. Now two came out. The ARF was rushed because of the VRF coming out.

I look at it completely different than most. I think this is extremely exciting. We now have 2 cases that fit rep or real 3185/86 movements and will take Rolex parts. No one has ever made a rep of a real GMT case. Going back to the 5 dig till now.

As far as the movements. I serviced the VRF one. Part number 3185-660 needs replacing. It is running great but after I saw Mike mention it, I tested it and indeed it slips and doesn't keep correct time with the GMT hand.

The ARF that I am using I want to replace the whole hour jumping mech from the wheel to the spring. I need to disassemble it.

Never the less. They are not "Time bombs"

If you are expecting a watch that you are going to throw on your wrist and work and run and look just like a Rolex 116710LN you can always go to an AD and buy one. If you are looking for a nice watch and throw a few hundred dollars at it wait till we figure it all out. There is no rush. They just came out a month or two ago and heck ARF didn't ship many and their parts, IE bracelet and full bezel assembly are the ones I would go with. The VRF has a lot better dial and case in my opinion but they are both great new toys to play with.

Right now if you are asking me which I would get I would say hold off if you just want to wear it. Both movements have issues that need to be addressed. They are simple fixes so If you are like me and service your reps you will have to get a few parts to correct the problem. If you want a turn key watch that you will just throw on wait."



Here is the link to that thread:

https://forum.replica-watch.info/fo...16710ln-clone-3186-gamechanging-battle/page19

 

[srhoque]

What is the part that needs to be replaced with a gen part to make the VR3186 more reliable?

[h=1]Rolex 3185-660 - Module For Jumping Hours (GMT)[/h] The above is a must have change. However keep in mind, the more parts you replace with gen, the more reliable your VR3185 becomes. I would suggest changing all the wheels, the autowind module and the barrel/mainspring.

BTW, people on this forum needs to stop calling it VR3186, it is actually VR3185. The VR factory wrongly engraved 3186 into the movement.