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BP Factory Rolex 16710 GMT Full Review VS Gen

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tom86 said:
Guys, have you seen these?

https://trustytimewatch.io/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=1_5&products_id=24015
https://trustytimewatch.io/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=1_5&products_id=24014
https://trustytimewatch.io/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=1_5&products_id=24013

Is that a VR movement inside? I still don't get those fat lugs with chamfers wide as a runway. Or is it just me?
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There is a thread started in the link below bro, I added some comments.

https://forum.replica-watch.info/for...e-clone-16710s
 
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RiffRalf said:
You wrote the book and in the end the message was :
STAY AWAAAAYYYY!!!

My CHNR still goes worn off clasp gold and all!!
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The BPs are great for scratching the itch, which is enough for some! You can do some cool stuff with them.

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the massakretor said:
Any updates on the Raffles Time case back fitting on newer rep samples?

I'm tempted to buy a BP and swap the caseback. But I would be very happy to check if someone already tried
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I got both in hand. The rafflesdials caseback and the 16710 GMT which I bought from BP 2 weeks ago.

Sadly it does not fit.

Thread of the BP has 30.8mm diameter and the rafflesdials caseback has a thread diameter of 30.3mm.

I already contacted rafflesdials and a taobao seller to see if they can supply me a caseback that fits.

Either way I think I will be able to use the 30.3mm caseback on my new purchase: BP 16570.
 
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vince23 said:
I got both in hand. The rafflesdials caseback and the 16710 GMT which I bought from BP 2 weeks ago.

Sadly it does not fit.

Thread of the BP has 30.8mm diameter and the rafflesdials caseback has a thread diameter of 30.3mm.

I already contacted rafflesdials and a taobao seller to see if they can supply me a caseback that fits.

Either way I think I will be able to use the 30.3mm caseback on my new purchase: BP 16570.
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I used the case back of a Tiger Concept watch I had lying around and it worked. Bear in mind it doesn’t say Rolex and it’s the old kind of cover, meaning all polished and a bit bubbly. But I didn’t care as no one will see it.
 
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Hi, I'm pretty new here. Just read this whole thread. I just ordered a bp from Andrew at trusty. The only model I could find has the a3186 'replica' movement. I understand this is one of the timebomb gmt movements. I'm curious if one of the much better vr3186 movements would be a direct swap, or what would need to be done/needed for the swap. Thanks in advance. This thread is incredibly thorough.
 
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Johndoe123 said:
Hi, I'm pretty new here. Just read this whole thread. I just ordered a bp from Andrew at trusty. The only model I could find has the a3186 'replica' movement. I understand this is one of the timebomb gmt movements. I'm curious if one of the much better vr3186 movements would be a direct swap, or what would need to be done/needed for the swap. Thanks in advance. This thread is incredibly thorough.
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If the a3186 is eta based then the dial and hands won’t fit without modding if you switch it vr3186. I don’t know if the vr3186 will fit the case either.
 
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Thanks for the speedy reply! I'm still waiting on qc pics. When I get a picture of the actual movement I'll post here. Is there anything specific I should know about these a3186 movements?
 
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Johndoe123 said:
Thanks for the speedy reply! I'm still waiting on qc pics. When I get a picture of the actual movement I'll post here. Is there anything specific I should know about these a3186 movements?
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There is no a3186 movement. That is ad lingo from a TD. A BP will only have a non true clone DG2813 ICHS (GMT version DG3804), a modded DG3804 CHS timebomb, a 2824 CHS timebomb, or a 2836 ICHS. Some of these non true clone movements may have a fake 3186 engraving. A BP case will not take a true clone VR/SH/SA 3186 without some careful modding and even then the stem height is not perfect which can require the tube O ring to be removed so the stem can even fit and work. The BP case is not a good candidate for swapping movements, other than to a different non true clone one.

Swap CHS to ICHS

If you post a link to the watch you bought. I can tell you what movement you have.

If you want to read more about rep GMT movements, see this post

GMT Movements Explained
 
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KJ2020 said:
There is no a3186 movement. That is ad lingo from a TD. A BP will only have a non true clone DG2813 ICHS (GMT version DG3804), a modded DG3804 CHS timebomb, a 2824 CHS timebomb, or a 2836 ICHS. Some of these non true clone movements may have a fake 3186 engraving. A BP case will not take a true clone VR/SH/SA 3186 without some careful modding and even then the stem height is not perfect which can require the tube O ring to be removed so the stem can even fit and work. The BP case is not a good candidate for swapping movements, other than to a different non true clone one.
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I think he is probalby referring to the newer BPF/JDF 5-digit GMTs that come with the SA3186 movement that is based on the SA3135 (i.e., not a great movement).

Trusty has these listed as being from BPF and identifies the movement as A3186: ROLGMT0238C - GMT II 16710 Red/Blue SS/SS Blk BPF A3186 CHS







PureTime seems to have the same model listed as being from JDF and identifies the movement as SA3186: GMT-Master II 16710 Pepsi Blue/Red Bezel JDF 1:1 Best Edition Black Dial on SS Bracelet SA3186






In contrast, InTime still has the older BPF model listed with a decorated 2836-based GMT movement identified as A3186 with ICHS: GMT-MASTER 16710 SS BP BLUE/RED BEZEL SS BRACELET A3186


 
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Spoons said:
I think he is probalby referring to the newer BPF/JDF 5-digit GMTs that come with the SA3186 movement that is based on the SA3135 (i.e., not a great movement).

Trusty has these listed as being from BPF and identifies the movement as A3186: ROLGMT0238C - GMT II 16710 Red/Blue SS/SS Blk BPF A3186 CHS


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Well now this is an interesting development, provided the factories (and TDs) actually deliver a true clone movement. JDF is the name GMF used right after it was raided so BP/GMF/JDF are all the same.

GMF/JDF have a long history of bait and switch when it comes to movements.

That a true clone is shown fitted to a 5 digit case is good news though. I will have to order one and swap a VR3186 in. It appears the exterior is unchanged, a shame because the angled tops on the CGs, wide chamfers, non gen-spec crystal, bezel and insert still nag at the purist. But at $328 it's not too hard to swallow the extra cost for a solid true clone movement.

Thanks for the post!
 
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BTW not that it REALLY matters but in case anyone is interested only the very last samples of gen 16710's (Z and M serials, late 2006 and 2007) had 3186s. And those all have "sticks" dials, like the the one I reviewed here.

So this newer BP release should either be engraved 3185 or have a sticks dial with the 3186 engraving.

Note the lack of horizontal caps and bases on the II after GMT MASTER on the dial on the far right. That is a sticks dial, so-called because they look like sticks.

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After re-re-rereading the gmt movent thread, I think I've gotten to the bottom of my own question. As best I can tell, the model I ordered is the 2836. It has the GMT hand on the bottom of the stack and it's clearly an ETA derivation. Thanks for all the info KJ2020
 
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