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BP 16710 with VR3186

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Submariners have thicker caseback cause of other caseback sealing.
Also for all 5 digits - the difference of crown, tube, caseback, crystal gasket.

5-digits:
Sub (GEN) 300m water resistant (triplock crown)
GMT (GEN) 100m water resistant (twinlock crown)

Same for the EX2 - same as GMT construction

Yup! That is one of the few challenges with the BP GMTs. Good if you want a decent out of the box rep. But if you want close to gen, you need to step up to Franken.
 

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I think the entire movement with dial and hands is not correctly aligned in the case!
Mostly when this issue appears.
Is this fixable by unscrewing the movement and moving it a little from inside the case? I'm not sure how the case and assembly are made on this watch
 

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There is talk or changing the bezel inserts on these anyone know the size or where to get them?
 

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Am thinking of getting some different bezel inserts so that i can try and age them but without the worry of making the watch look silly if screw up, also to swap from pepsi to coke. This is for the latest BP model 16710
 

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This insert went in with zero modification.

Cheers, you happen to know what size it was? Doesnt say on the advert, Also how did you fit it any tips?
 

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Pop off, pop out, put bezel on, alight insert, press on. Voila
ok cool thanks, is there a specific size I should be looking at as a gen size insert I believe does fit form some of the posts on here, 36.5mm with id of 30.6 sellers say give or take .1 mm for measuring manually or 37.5mm od with same 30.6mm id, do you know if they need to be glued in or infact pop in like a gen on these latest BP models, i have a bezel removal tool that works well but not done this on a BP model before only a Gen sub years back
 

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ok cool thanks, is there a specific size I should be looking at as a gen size insert I believe does fit form some of the posts on here, 36.5mm with id of 30.6 sellers say give or take .1 mm for measuring manually or 37.5mm od with same 30.6mm id, do you know if they need to be glued in or infact pop in like a gen on these latest BP models, i have a bezel removal tool that works well but not done this on a BP model before only a Gen sub years back

I gave you a link to an insert that I said fit perfectly.
 

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Pop off, pop out, put bezel on, alight insert, press on. Voila
Appreciate that but I'm in the UK so wanted to get a few of them to try different types so was interested in the size i needed as Id also like to try fading some.

Not taken the Bezel off the watch yet so wanted to kinda get everything in stock so to speak before starting, still not quite sure how easy getting the bezel off and on again really is, ive seen several different methods and not sure what the click spring it like on these only ever done it a gen sub years ago
 

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Appreciate that but I'm in the UK so wanted to get a few of them to try different types so was interested in the size i needed as Id also like to try fading some.

Not taken the Bezel off the watch yet so wanted to kinda get everything in stock so to speak before starting, still not quite sure how easy getting the bezel off and on again really is, ive seen several different methods and not sure what the click spring it like on these only ever done it a gen sub years ago

BP 16710 uses click wire and little springs. It’s not like gen at all.

Watch videos on how to remove and install bezel for invicta or whatever. It’s not difficult just takes time.
 
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I search years to a good gmt rep and had 2 times a BP 16710 and a few others but the biggest flaw are the cg‘s ….at the end the best but expensive way is a Vietnam case ( my are a phong case) with vr 3186 and you have a perfect gmt rep

The case and bezel assembly are the very weak points. The dial and hands aren’t bad at all. Just get a VR one and then upgrade the case.
 
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Cheers guys might look at that then.


I search years to a good gmt rep and had 2 times a BP 16710 and a few others but the biggest flaw are the cg‘s ….at the end the best but expensive way is a Vietnam case ( my are a phong case) with vr 3186 and you have a perfect gmt rep
you got a few more pics of that case? I'm guessing the Phong case also doesnt have those chamfers made for the holes version case ) kinda think if BP just drilled the holes through the case the chamfers are not as bad, still not sure why they need to add them when the case doesnt start with them, you would have thought by now the factory would have been asked so moany times if there is a model without them but hey!

So is the above model a BP 16710 with the VR CHS in it? What Bezel set up is on it (same BP one or something else (not sure how easy it would be to swap the bezel assembly over to a gen style one, dont know what involved), also did the bracelet fit straight on?

Just fancied this as a bit of project. I still find it strange that the 16710 still seems to be a hard find, yet some have been quite close, and the newer models are really very good in comparison, I guess though new models are more in demand now, Although a factory that focused on the older models without going too vintage could doo well, special on say the older DJ's and DayDates as the weight adding tech could work well,

TIA


I here that the Explore 2 is the same case in the older style and doesnt have the silly chamfers but not sure on the CG's
 

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Ok so I found this site https://www.jewelryandwatch.com/contents/en-us/p1450.html a complete GMT 16710 case and this https://vintagewatchesmq.com/minhqu...category_id=96&option=com_virtuemart&Itemid=1 which looks to be the same (not checked if the crystal is included yet, (the last one is 1200eur inc shipping to UK) Not sure on a price for the other one.

They both say they take a 3185 movement so what are peops thoughts on transplanting the movement, dial, (maybe some new hands, poss new dial) and bracelet from the BP 16710 currently available? If this would be possible then this might get close to gen dims? Or maybe use a newer movement out of the 116710 just with an older set of hands and dial?

This case I believe to be able to use genuine parts such as bezels, etc and they appear to have the lug holes look more period, still seem to have a more aggressive chamfer but much more in keeping with other with lug holes.

Apologies for all the questions this is my first project watch so kinda being uber picky.
 

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Ok so I found this site https://www.jewelryandwatch.com/contents/en-us/p1450.html a complete GMT 16710 case and this https://vintagewatchesmq.com/minhqu...category_id=96&option=com_virtuemart&Itemid=1 which looks to be the same (not checked if the crystal is included yet, (the last one is 1200eur inc shipping to UK) Not sure on a price for the other one.

They both say they take a 3185 movement so what are peops thoughts on transplanting the movement, dial, (maybe some new hands, poss new dial) and bracelet from the BP 16710 currently available? If this would be possible then this might get close to gen dims? Or maybe use a newer movement out of the 116710 just with an older set of hands and dial?

This case I believe to be able to use genuine parts such as bezels, etc and they appear to have the lug holes look more period, still seem to have a more aggressive chamfer but much more in keeping with other with lug holes.

Apologies for all the questions this is my first project watch so kinda being uber picky.

Take the guts out of a 16710 BP
 
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Or if you are being super picky, then search for gen parts on eBay or firstclassdials or Rlxforums
 

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Take the guts out of a 16710 BP
Yeah was thinking if I could transplant the guts of the BP into this case then use the BP bracelet that would be a great start.
Then at a later date maybe get a new dial and hands (only really the GMT hand but they come as a pack so might as well do them all)
You reckon its doable?
 
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