ARF silently released new 16610LN's and 16610LV's

[KJ2020]

How did you shave the ID of the bezel? I recently destroyed a gen insert trying to fit it into a Viet bezel. Heartbreaking.

It's tedious bro. I did it by hand using 320 grit paper wrapped on a round tool and also a sanding stick for backing.

See those little black marks on the paper? That's how much material gets removed before the paper gets rotated to a new position. You can't just fold over a piece of paper or the top edge of the teeth get impacted.

 

[aHero]

How did you shave the ID of the bezel? I recently destroyed a gen insert trying to fit it into a Viet bezel. Heartbreaking.

I used sandpaper rolled up and just slowly spun the bezel around the sandpaper so it would sand evenly. I use my fingers to apply pressure. Worked great for me.

 

[Yellowsubmarine]

The watch on the right is JF16610 with a Raffles 14060 dial.

One instance where the BP 16610 narrower bezel and insert pays off, haha.

Can I ask you both,

Are these 14060 dials 28.5mm ?
I see raffles has 28.5mm and 29mm dials listed.

 

[trash3939]

Can I ask you both,

Are these 14060 dials 28.5mm ?
I see raffles has 28.5mm and 29mm dials listed.

There are two types of Raffles 14060 character editions. swiss made dials are 28.5 mm
T<25 dial is 29mm

I put in a Raffles 14060 dial.

I was hoping to get 14060. I think the 14060 currently available is only to be assembled with a Raffles case. However, I didn't really like the Raffles case so I took a chance based on KJ2020 and C Master's posts. 1, I put Raffles 14060 dial T

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[trash3939]

I haven't tried it yet, but Raffles also has a 4-line (matte black) dial.

 

[newest dude on the forum]

There are two types of Raffles 14060 character editions. swiss made dials are 28.5 mm
T<25 dial is 29mm

I put in a Raffles 14060 dial.

I was hoping to get 14060. I think the 14060 currently available is only to be assembled with a Raffles case. However, I didn't really like the Raffles case so I took a chance based on KJ2020 and C Master's posts. 1, I put Raffles 14060 dial T

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I've got a T<25 gen dial I was planning on dropping in one of these cases. Will I have an issue with that?

 

[KJ2020]

I've got a T<25 gen dial I was planning on dropping in one of these cases. Will I have an issue with that?

Which gen dial are you referring to? And what is its OD?

BP 16610s actually come in 3 different cases - 3135, 2824 and 2813.

To make a 14060 with an ETA dial (28.5 or 29mm, you must use the 2824 case because the rehaut opening is larger.

To use a gen-spec 1661x dial, you must use the 3135 case (and usually swap out the low quality SA3135).

Since the 14060 dial has a smaller diameter, it may not work even in a BP 3135 case, as @KushBandit mentioned previously.

A gen 16610 dial is 27.3mm so the BP 16610 3135 rehaut opening has to be less.

Wait, are you talking about putting a gen dial in an ARF case? If so, that's been done already by @pompompurin.

ARF silently released new 16610LN's and 16610LV's

RAF? The RAF ARF thing is a clusterfuck to be honest. This spring some 16610s popped up under the factory RAF, mine was one the V1s and arrived with ARF stickers for some reason. I upgraded mine with a VS crystal, crown and movement cause they were shit. A couple of months later a new batch...

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[Cziggy]

Man these are looking pretty damn good

 

[KJ2020]

Can I ask you both,

Are these 14060 dials 28.5mm ?
I see raffles has 28.5mm and 29mm dials listed.

If you get the Raffles 14060 29mm dial it will need to be shaved to fit the BP 16610 ETA case. Only a little needs to come off (0.25mm all the way around), it can be shaved by hand.

See this thread if interested

Dial shaving made easy - DIY

ARF dials often seem to be a tad larger than other factories. ARF Daytona dials are well known to need shaving to fit in a Noob case. I had to shave this ARF GMT dial down to fit it in a VRF case. I found a unique way to safely DIY shave a finished dial that may be useful for others. The...

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[Yellowsubmarine]

Thanks @trash3939 the link to your post is very useful!

@KJ2020 luckily the dial I have on order is the 28.5mm, I just wanted to check I’d gone for the right size. Shame I couldn’t find a ‘Swiss’ only dial as I really like those.

I’ll be using an ARF as a base, and I may grab a vr3130 for it along with some hands.

 

[KushBandit]

Hmm. I didn't know Raffle made dials for a 3135 clone.

The two 14060 dials they have are for DG and ETA movements. You could either cut and resolder the feet, or just use dial dots to secure the dial.

The 14060 dials aren't quite as nice as the RAF/ARF 16610 dials.

 

[newest dude on the forum]

Which gen dial are you referring to? And what is its OD?

BP 16610s actually come in 3 different cases - 3135, 2824 and 2813.

To make a 14060 with an ETA dial (28.5 or 29mm, you must use the 2824 case because the rehaut opening is larger.

To use a gen-spec 1661x dial, you must use the 3135 case (and usually swap out the low quality SA3135).

Since the 14060 dial has a smaller diameter, it may not work even in a BP 3135 case, as @KushBandit mentioned previously.

A gen 16610 dial is 27.3mm so the BP 16610 3135 rehaut opening has to be less.

Wait, are you talking about putting a gen dial in an ARF case? If so, that's been done already by @pompompurin.

ARF silently released new 16610LN's and 16610LV's

RAF? The RAF ARF thing is a clusterfuck to be honest. This spring some 16610s popped up under the factory RAF, mine was one the V1s and arrived with ARF stickers for some reason. I upgraded mine with a VS crystal, crown and movement cause they were shit. A couple of months later a new batch...

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Ah, I should have been more clear. It's a 16610 tritium dial that I'd drop in the ARF case

 

[KJ2020]

Thanks @trash3939 the link to your post is very useful!

@KJ2020 luckily the dial I have on order is the 28.5mm, I just wanted to check I’d gone for the right size. Shame I couldn’t find a ‘Swiss’ only dial as I really like those.

I’ll be using an ARF as a base, and I may grab a vr3130 for it along with some hands.

I'm doubtful a 28.5mm dial will even fit in the ARF dial seat let alone display the minute tics unobscured. A rehaut opening has a smaller diameter than the dial seat.

From my other post on the topic just above,

"BP 16610s actually come in 3 different cases - 3135, 2824 and 2813.

To make a 14060 with an ETA dial (28.5 or 29mm, you must use the 2824 case because the rehaut opening is larger."

Coincidentally, a 3135 movement OD is 28.5mm, so you can imagine how a dial that size would likely be incompatible in tha same case. I know for sure it doesn't work in a BP 3135 case.

 

[trash3939]

Ah, I should have been more clear. It's a 16610 tritium dial that I'd drop in the ARF case

The tritium T<25 dial on the new ARF case is not dated.
ST or VN cases with holes in the lugs are better.

 

[trash3939]

I'm doubtful a 28.5mm dial will even fit in the ARF dial seat let alone display the minute tics unobscured. A rehaut opening has a smaller diameter than the dial seat.

From my other post on the topic just above,

"BP 16610s actually come in 3 different cases - 3135, 2824 and 2813.

To make a 14060 with an ETA dial (28.5 or 29mm, you must use the 2824 case because the rehaut opening is larger."

Coincidentally, a 3135 movement OD is 28.5mm, so you can imagine how a dial that size would likely be incompatible in tha same case. I know for sure it doesn't work in a BP 3135 case.

In my case I used a JF case and the 28.5mm dial fit without modification.

However, since it is a 2824 dial, the feet do not fit the 3135.
I cut off the legs and attached the dial to the movement.

 

[KJ2020]

In my case I used a JF case and the 28.5mm dial fit without modification.

However, since it is a 2824 dial, the feet do not fit the 3135.
I cut off the legs and attached the dial to the movement.

That's right I remember from our discussions! Also ARF is known for making dials (and dial seats) larger in diameter than gen spec.

I have had to shave numerous ARF dials down to fit in other cases. GMTs, Daytona dials - many will remember having to shave the great ARF Daytona dials to fit a Noob case.

So @Yellowsubmarine you are probably OK, sorry for the curve ball haha.

Side note - Look at the size of this ARF DSSD dial. All that space outside the tic marks. It worked out well for the case it's going in - I needed the extra diameter, but still it needs to be shaved some.

 

[Yellowsubmarine]

So @Yellowsubmarine you are probably OK, sorry for the curve ball haha.

No drama! My head is already overloaded with the numerous potential obstacles and the three apparent different BP case types!

I can potentially get hold of a 3135 BP case but not sure if they would be of any better use ? I’ll wait until I have the arf in hand and I’ll measure the rehaut opening and go from there.

 

[KJ2020]

I can potentially get hold of a 3135 BP case but not sure if they would be of any better use ?

No a 28.5mm or larger ETA dial needs a BP 2824 case. It has a larger rehaut opening.

This is a 29mm ETA dial that needed shaving even to fit in the BP 16610 ETA case. The BP 3135 case would swallow about 1/3 or more of those minute tics' lengths behind the rehaut.

 

[VintageSubEnjoyer]

Is there a source for a bp 16610 2824 case? Or just whole watch and scrap the dial/cyclops?

 

[trash3939]

I'm doubtful a 28.5mm dial will even fit in the ARF dial seat let alone display the minute tics unobscured. A rehaut opening has a smaller diameter than the dial seat.

From my other post on the topic just above,

"BP 16610s actually come in 3 different cases - 3135, 2824 and 2813.

To make a 14060 with an ETA dial (28.5 or 29mm, you must use the 2824 case because the rehaut opening is larger."

Coincidentally, a 3135 movement OD is 28.5mm, so you can imagine how a dial that size would likely be incompatible in tha same case. I know for sure it doesn't work in a BP 3135 case.

As you pointed out, in the case of the JF case, the second line under SWISS MADE is not visible.

In the case of BP, I used a 2824 case.
I think you are right about the 3135 case.