ARF SD43 904L 126600 review (many pics)

[ginopino]

The 2836 is .5mm thicker than the 2824 because of the different calendar works (otherwise its essentially the same movement) - it will give an incorrect crown height, which bothers a lot of people around here, even if they can't see it. (its 0.5mm). The 2824 is also significantly cheaper.

Are you sure about the prices?
At Puretime the 2836 is from VRF and the 2824 is from ARF. The ARF cost more than the VRF, so the 2836 is cheaper than the 2824...

0,5mm crown height difference is hard to notice but in conjunction with the shape of the CGs you will notice it. The result is a totally wrong CG shape.

This is a good reason to buy the 2824...

 

[muiramas]

Are you sure about the prices?
At Puretime the 2836 is from VRF and the 2824 is from ARF. The ARF cost more than the VRF, so the 2836 is cheaper than the 2824...



This is a good reason to buy the 2824...

The VRF does not use 904 steel. To be honest I don't know about clone prices - but the ETA 2836 is more expensive than the ETA 2824.

Regardless of crown guard shape - no one off this forum will see it, and most on this forum either need to have it pointed out to them, or just quote verbatim and say its wrong. You only have to look at the shitposting about the SD43mm earlier in this thread asking 'why no 3135' / 'ugh - eta clone = wrong CG shape'...

 

[peterpl]

The VRF does not use 904 steel. To be honest I don't know about clone prices - but the ETA 2836 is more expensive than the ETA 2824.

Regardless of crown guard shape - no one off this forum will see it, and most on this forum either need to have it pointed out to them, or just quote verbatim and say its wrong. You only have to look at the shitposting about the SD43mm earlier in this thread asking 'why no 3135' / 'ugh - eta clone = wrong CG shape'...

Yep spot on. Half the members dont know what they are talking about and out of the members that actually know ALOT about Rolex that is like 0.000000001% of the population. And the chances that you will meet someone that will tell you that your SD43 has a 1mm QC issue on the pearl or your bezel teeth is too sharp is ZERO percent.

 

[ginopino]

Thanks for the answers guys, I think that the ARF is the way to follow!
904L steel, correct CG and Crown position... I will close my eyes on the date change

 

[Sonil]

What’s crystal size in the Sd43?


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[m5smg2]

Thanks for the answers guys, I think that the ARF is the way to follow! 😊
904L steel, correct CG and Crown position... I will close my eyes on the date change

Yes read the first page of this thread about 2824, crown height, and 904L. ARF still the way to go.

Lets see NoobÂ’s delayed SD43 soon. Should be 904 too. Till then, ARF is the best stock rep rollie IÂ’ve ever had.

 

[muiramas]

Yes read the first page of this thread about 2824, crown height, and 904L. ARF still the way to go.

Lets see NoobÂ’s delayed SD43 soon. Should be 904 too. Till then, ARF is the best stock rep rollie IÂ’ve ever had.

Personally I'm not holding my breath for anything Noob has in the pipeline. They've been slowly noing nowhere for 18 months and their 904 sub is an embarrassment. Meanwhile ARF are on fire.

 

[peterpl]

I've given up on Noob as well. Too many issues with their latest iterations of the sub-c. SEL sucked bigtime on most of them and bezel markers are horrid - I wouldnt hold my breath for their version of the SD43. I think Noob has been slowly going down hill since they stopped taking feedback from Angus and the rep forums

 

[Tobel]

Guys as mentioned in another thread you can buy the ARF and put a 2836 inside. It's been done

 

[muiramas]

Guys as mentioned in another thread you can buy the ARF and put a 2836 inside. It's been done

Wouldn't be easy, and afaik, would require different hands and date wheel.

 

[Smpfan]

Why? Hands size of 2824 and 2836 are identical. You only need a proper date wheel overlay. If you are careful you can use the overlay that comes with ARF's watch. But better is changing for a TC overlay or similar at this point. Dial does fit wihout changes, too.

But my biggest concern: From where do you get the missing 0.5mm that are necessary for an eta2836? You can simply force it in and disregard the wrong stem height. But what do you think how long this stem will serve you with a misplaced axis of 0.5mm???

That's not a properly done mod. Is it worth changing for an eta2836 only for a bit faster date change??? After all you still will listen to a noisy eta rotor whilst a Rolex will be quiet at all...

 

[Tobel]

legend if you care to chime in

 

[ginopino]

Wouldn't be easy, and afaik, would require different hands and date wheel.

absolutey not, hands and date wheel are the same for 2824 and 2836, because they use a DWO so you can swap it.

 

[Smpfan]

Date wheel is not the same! 2836 uses a higher date wheel than 2824. You can swap a 2836 date wheel into a 2824 but not vice versa. Of course higher cannon pinions are necessary when using a 36er wheel in a 24...

 

[ginopino]

Why? Hands size of 2824 and 2836 are identical. You only need a proper date wheel overlay. If you are careful you can use the overlay that comes with ARF‘s watch. But better is changing for a TC overlay or similar at this point. Dial does fit wihout changes, too.

But my biggest concern: From where do you get the missing 0.5mm that are necessary for an eta2836? You can simply force it in and disregard the wrong stem height. But what do you think how long this stem will serve you with a misplaced axis of 0.5mm???

ThatÂ’s not a proper done mod. Is it worth changing for an eta2836 only for a bit faster date change??? After all you still will listen to a noisy eta rotor whilst a Rolex will be quiet at all...

that's exactly my doubt: if the 2836 will fit easily with no issue, why the makers do more than one case with different crown position?

 

[ginopino]

Date wheel is not the same! 2836 uses a higher date wheel than 2824. You can swap a 2836 date wheel into a 2824 but not vice versa. Of course higher cannon pinions are necessary when using a 36er wheel in a 24...

Please read again: the datewheel are the same because they use a DWO. Translation problem maybe, I intended that the datewheel is not a problem, just swap the DWO.

 

[Smpfan]

You mean they fitted the A2824 with an 36er datewheel plus overlay and a taller dial spacer? Of course that means using hands with extra long tubes and/or tall cannon pinions.

That works.

 

[muiramas]

absolutey not, hands and date wheel are the same for 2824 and 2836, because they use a DWO so you can swap it.

No, i think thats incorrect. (Both). Edit - what? I'm not clear - you say the dw is not a problem, or the dw is not a problem because you can swap it? If the latter, yes i know - its what i originally said. Its not impossible to do, though probabky needs an engineering fix to fit the 2836 in the case properly - just a massive ammount of work to just get the snappy date change. I'm asleep by then anyway.

 

[Smpfan]

2836 fits into the case without problems. Only problem ist the different stem height. So you can‘t change the distance from stem axis to the rehaut. That means the only place to play with is the distance between dial and movement.
At first we have to look how they solved the DWO on the ARF A2824. If it has got a 2836er date wheel and taller dial spacer we will have enough room for a 2836. If not it is impossible without massive bending of the 2836er stem.

So we need a teardown of the ARF watch to check the components under the dial...

 

[muiramas]

Yea, by fit i mean the stem height as the problem as well as bending / stressing the stem and keyless, But like you say we need a teardown - it looks like they used a bespoke date wheel in the SD43 hence all the problems with the font...