Kinda makes one think about what could be done with the new Miyota movement. Sounds like it's thin enough for proper crown height, as well it beats the same as an ETA and the time set is in the same direction as gen, whereas the ETA is opposite. Anyone chime in if I've misstated anything.
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SA3135 Movement Observations
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I'm not sure what the model number is, but it's newer. I saw a post about it in a thread either on here or RG. Perhaps search for Miyota and it will come up. I'll try to find it when I get home.
After some thought, I have to agree with sub4me. As much as I like the "looks" of the new watch, I do want it to run without me having to "play games" with the movement. I have sent the below e-mail to PT's "Repair Dept" and am awaiting a response. I'll let you know if they are willing to take the watch back, the procedure to do so, and if they have a realistic repair plan in place. I am REALLY hoping they do, as I WANT this new movement to be successful!
Dear Puretime (Angus),
I have purchased the below watch from your company. I have noticed the following regarding the movement:
1. When you pull out the crown to change the date (Rolex Position 3) you have to find the "sweet spot" to get it exactly right. It seems to be getting harder to find the "sweet spot" to change the date.
2. When I am finished adjusting the date and/or time if I push the crown back in quickly (Rolex Position 1-Wearing Position) it will change the set time. Hence, I need to put it into position 1 fairly slowly to keep the hands from moving.
On RWI, there is a member who was told by his watchsmith the STEM is too thin and short. I "think" this may be the problem? Other members on RWI are reporting similar issues I believe as well.
I really like the watch case, but am not happy with the movement as it is.
1. Is this an issue you are aware of? 2. Can it be fixed? 3. Can I send the watch back for repair?
Thank you!
It's the Miyota 9015. It's a 24j movement, and unfortunately has the hands going the same direction as the ETA when setting the time. The 4:00 mark has the hands being set on this video, if you can stand the heinous watch and 70's porn music.....
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Warrcraft, i send 2 similar email to the sale dept and the repair dept, explaining the sames issues about my YM (which the stem is not broken just problems like you said), the only reply i got was that nothing was wrong about the movement, meaning, that all these rep have the same ''issue''. They told me that the maker should try to fix this but didn't know when.. They also send me a repair form in case i wanna send it back but specificly said that they can't fix this problem. So why send me a repair form?? I replyed that i wasn't happy about it, they assured me the movement was great, and now i can't even send it back for repair as they don't know how to do it.
So please warrcraft, can you share the reply you ll get from puretime about this email you send them to see if they say the same thing? Thanks
Also, about the broken stem, In order to get a replacement stem, the only option i had was to make an order. So i did, i bought the 2011 Xmas offer IWC ingenieur titanium, emailed nikki saying that i expected the stem with this order, and i wrote it in comment into the comment box for the order. I received the QC pics this morning, but no mention of the stem what so ever, so i replyed that the watch was ok and asked to hold it for the stem, i just got a reply. They don't have the stem yet ( i've asked to get one 2 weeks ago and asked again 4 days ago before ordering). Not sure i ll get the watch or the stem before Xmas!!! i'm so upset
So please warrcraft, can you share the reply you ll get from puretime about this email you send them to see if they say the same thing? Thanks
Also, about the broken stem, In order to get a replacement stem, the only option i had was to make an order. So i did, i bought the 2011 Xmas offer IWC ingenieur titanium, emailed nikki saying that i expected the stem with this order, and i wrote it in comment into the comment box for the order. I received the QC pics this morning, but no mention of the stem what so ever, so i replyed that the watch was ok and asked to hold it for the stem, i just got a reply. They don't have the stem yet ( i've asked to get one 2 weeks ago and asked again 4 days ago before ordering). Not sure i ll get the watch or the stem before Xmas!!! i'm so upset
^I would've been surprised if the stem was with the order. I don't agree with someone having to place an order to get a stem or other part. You should just be able to order what you need. If you ordered stems, for once you would actually be getting machine parts like it's listed on the customs form.
I wish, but they can't just shipp one stem, and they can't sell 2 or more, you can only get one if you bought a watch and a broken stem. I know at first i didn't want to order again for this stem, but what other choice do i have? If i don't get a new one the watch is useless..
This is ridiculous. They need to make good on the watch you ordered. File a complaint with the staff here, maybe they can go to bat for you...?
Of course it is ridiculous!!!
Noone should ever buy again this SA movement if they don't make that out for you...This is crap...I hope the mods will help..!
Dude, I told you Not to do this. I could not have told you that to many times. Man if you learned anything from this purchase I thought it would have been that. I'm not being a wiseass or know it all, I was trying so hard to help you, so don't take my remarks the wrong way.
Man WTF were you thinking?? I know you spent a butt load already to get two watches you were excited about and had great expections for. But after losing your funds already for two bad watches, thier crappy slow responses to you, and thier insisting you buy more to fix he problem all you've done is given them more funds and another chance to screw you. I'm sorry but this was a big mistake to make another purchase from them, they basically bullied you into buying more from them with the hope of getting a spare part. I don't think this is gonna get you what your after here and I'm very sorry you did this. I hope a member here did not advise you to do this.
BS, BS, BS, why not?? Why can't they ship just one?? This is just a rip off and a bully making you do what you don't want to do.
Why not order a set of various stems and try to find one similar to yours? Or at least one that could fit with a very little reworking?
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Lol I already tryed that too, i bought 3 of theses of differentes sizes and all. the seller told me that it was a lot of all stems possible. None fits the movement i think the maker made the stem to fit only this specific movement
And my watchmaker who have a lot of stems in his shop, tryed too and didn't find any that fits in. I'm telling you. this stem problem is really a deal breaker, there is still a lot of work to do on theses problems
And my watchmaker who have a lot of stems in his shop, tryed too and didn't find any that fits in. I'm telling you. this stem problem is really a deal breaker, there is still a lot of work to do on theses problems
It is a good idea too save the hassle of complying to the completely ridiculous request of having to purchase another watch just to get a stem that may, or may not, actually even be sent with a new order. The problem is, if bibi13's watchsmith is correct, the stems for this new movement that will fit are not long enough and too weak. So, would not any stem that would fit eventually fail again?
I didn't want to, but what else could i do? I had more than 45 emails with them about a full refund of both watches or at least for the sub.but they won't take the watches back. So i made an order to get it, thinking this is the last time i buy from them, anyway. So now they better send me that stem...
My watchsmith is pretty good, he does everything for me even the relume jobs, and as we tryed every possible stem into that movemet, i know for a fact that only the original stem fit it. Now yes there is a good chance that this new stem break sooner or later, but the dial and hands are already installed so i ll just have to put the stem back in and i ll try to not set time and date too often hoping it ll do the trick.
After some thought, I may have spoken slightly in haste: I forgot the stem breakage occurred during modding. If the stem had broken under normal use (setting time/date/etc) PureTime would be 100% responsible for repair/replacement of the watch but once you've been inside it all bets are off. I used to work in customer service and I would see issues like this all the time and once I found out the customer had tried to modify the product or had taken it apart, the best I could was offer a discount on a replacement or try to get some spare parts out free or cheap.
That said, they should be trying to get you a stem without making another or offering to repair your watch on the cheap at the least but I suppose the time for refund has passed...
In overview though, I'm severely disappointed in the reviews of this movement as I had some high hopes.
Ok...here is my response from PT's "Repair Dept"
(I edited out non-essential portions)
"Hi, sir,
We very much wish if you could please kindly have this checked with your local watch repair shop to see if some small adjustments required and can be made perfect to avoid all hassles sending back. And if you wish to have it sent back, kindly ship back the watch with all details of defects found. Upon receipt of the same at our end let us have studied the same and whatever needful will be taken care of at our end. Attached please find the watch repair form, please fill in the form and print it out, send the form back with the return watch. Please remember to write the problems as clearly as possible and include with the package so we can take care of the problems accordingly. Without this printed form our maker will not accept the packages for a repair."
So...they will take it back to look at and "repair", but according to bibi13, they won't refund on what appears to be a universal, and uncorrectable defect at this time (we are talking about his second watch that he did not modify and he sent them timely and numerous e-mails). So, there is no point in sending my non-modified watch back as it can't be fixed by them. My stem is not broken, just having the date change/hands moving when pushing crown back in issues (but keeping very good time). So, again until the movement itself can take a "gen like" stem, there is no point in sending the watch back.
Personally, I recognize our Trusted Dealers are dealing with rep manufactures and they are all probably at their mercy to get the rep makers to fix/repair the movement on watches already sold (which I am guessing the rep makers would not). As for the Trusted Dealers refunding our money and "they taking the hit" on something like this...hell, I don't know, is that a realistic expectation (as we are dealing with reps) if we performed no mods and sent them a timely request for a refund?
As for me, I have no choice but to enjoy the watch as is and wait for the eventual new and improved SA3135 "V-2 movement" to replace the current movement. Again, lesson re-learned "never by the "model-A"
(I edited out non-essential portions)
"Hi, sir,
We very much wish if you could please kindly have this checked with your local watch repair shop to see if some small adjustments required and can be made perfect to avoid all hassles sending back. And if you wish to have it sent back, kindly ship back the watch with all details of defects found. Upon receipt of the same at our end let us have studied the same and whatever needful will be taken care of at our end. Attached please find the watch repair form, please fill in the form and print it out, send the form back with the return watch. Please remember to write the problems as clearly as possible and include with the package so we can take care of the problems accordingly. Without this printed form our maker will not accept the packages for a repair."
So...they will take it back to look at and "repair", but according to bibi13, they won't refund on what appears to be a universal, and uncorrectable defect at this time (we are talking about his second watch that he did not modify and he sent them timely and numerous e-mails). So, there is no point in sending my non-modified watch back as it can't be fixed by them. My stem is not broken, just having the date change/hands moving when pushing crown back in issues (but keeping very good time). So, again until the movement itself can take a "gen like" stem, there is no point in sending the watch back.
Personally, I recognize our Trusted Dealers are dealing with rep manufactures and they are all probably at their mercy to get the rep makers to fix/repair the movement on watches already sold (which I am guessing the rep makers would not). As for the Trusted Dealers refunding our money and "they taking the hit" on something like this...hell, I don't know, is that a realistic expectation (as we are dealing with reps) if we performed no mods and sent them a timely request for a refund?
As for me, I have no choice but to enjoy the watch as is and wait for the eventual new and improved SA3135 "V-2 movement" to replace the current movement. Again, lesson re-learned "never by the "model-A"
^ looks like you'll be riding it out until the v2 mov't becomes available. I'm in the same boat, but the only way I would even buy the v2 movement is it they sell it by itself.