Warrcraft, well you got pretty much the same reply as i have except they clearly told me that there is no point to send it back because they can't fix it. Maybe because i've already told them my watchmaker said it was a construction and material problem on the stem and (i don't know the name in english)on the part of the movement that ''locks''the differents spot (set time, date) meaning that the stem doesn't correctly fit. i just come back for my watchmaker shop about an other rep, and we talked again about it as i left the YM to him for now. from his point of view the sweet spot problem doesn't come from the stem on itself, (the poor material of it been an other problem) but from the replication of the movement, he cracked open the Sub movment and showed me 2 parts with not finished edges and too thick to fit perfectly into the other parts. He ll make pics tomorrow for me to post and try to explain LoL!! And he ll try to fix it. But there is no guarranties at all that it ll work. Also on of theses parts is used for the date change or datewheel he thinks the problem comes from here. The maker should really fix it because i don't see everyone who has this movement spending that much money and time trying to fix a problem that shouldn't be here in the first place. Anyway even if he makes it, still the stem fragility will be a problem and i don't see how we can make them high quality...
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SA3135 Movement Observations
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I hope dearly the SA3135 or any other movements come up to speed. I hate Swatch so much that I hope someone else, be it Sellita, Miyota, Asian ETA clone fill the void left behind by Swatch. Since Swatch's announcement of not selling ETAs outside, I've only seen price increases and scarcity. It's extremely annoying. There's just no equivalent reliability and ubiquity. You break a part on a ETA, no problem, buy a new one, easily find someone to work on it for cheap. What other movement has that? As a modder, I touch the movement tons of times. Gen ETA is just so robust. The Asian clone ETA is not quite there. For example, I have attached hundreds of DWOs on ETAs, never a problem. Sure every date position on an ETA datewheel can be a little different. But so is Rolex's. I can't say the same for clone ETAs. Their datewheels for example just lack the surety and consistency. I attached a few DWOs on them and I don't want to do it anymore. It's a pain.
My point is there are many aspects to a movement to be GREAT for reps. Keeping good time is important. However robustness for moving is a must because we almost always want to make improvements, i.e. mods. Availability of parts that work is super important. I broke so many ETA stems. If they were hard to find or expensive, that'd be bad. Sidebar: freaking Swatch is now even making ETA parts scarcer and more expensive. I really hate them.
Let's keep any findings on the SA3135 coming. It'll be great if some expert can do a tear-down analysis (Ziggy used to do that). I want to get these SA3135s for a whole bunch of projects but I don't dare to move forward yet. With bibi13's post, I surely will stay away for now.
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My point is there are many aspects to a movement to be GREAT for reps. Keeping good time is important. However robustness for moving is a must because we almost always want to make improvements, i.e. mods. Availability of parts that work is super important. I broke so many ETA stems. If they were hard to find or expensive, that'd be bad. Sidebar: freaking Swatch is now even making ETA parts scarcer and more expensive. I really hate them.
Let's keep any findings on the SA3135 coming. It'll be great if some expert can do a tear-down analysis (Ziggy used to do that). I want to get these SA3135s for a whole bunch of projects but I don't dare to move forward yet. With bibi13's post, I surely will stay away for now.
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But yet in this email to the member they (Pure Time) say has been fixed and will not be any problems and I don't care if bibi modded it, F that, it makes no diffrence, the seller sold this watch and still sales it on the premises that it DOES take gen parts, when it DOES NOT. The member changed the dial and now has a non working piece of shit.
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Very few if any of the major dealers will take a watch back if it has been modded by a customer. Most of them specify it must be returned in unworn condition with the original packaging. This is usually specified in their Terms of Service.
I am in the same boat with you boys. I bought Warrcrafts YM....the wonky date/time crown set thing is just a thing...I dont plan to MOD the watch,,just wear the shit out of it and enjoy it.
Rob
Yes the watch must be returned in his original package and unworn. It's the case of my YM. I tryed to modd the sub. And still they don't want to it back and no refund. I have to say that i asked them the day i received them, and again when the sub stem broke. There is nothing to do at this point, they won't take it back and can't fix it. That's the reality of this watch/movement. So pray to not have any problems... If i knew i would not buy even one of theses. It's too much a big risk and too high cost. They shouldn't sell this movement anymore until there is a real update
Actually you do have something to add to this. One of their own selling points to this watch right in the description on their website is that it takes a gen dial and hands. That's practically spelling out this watch is prime to be modded. I'd tell them this and see if it shakes anything loose. You can't advertise things like this and expect people not to try swapping dials and hands. They should at least cover a new stem. That's not asking much. If this is how tight replacement parts are going to be, then that's a major negative against the watch.
I agree with bibi and Ruprekt, he modded one slightly, the other one he didn't do anything to, yet both have the same problem, only diffrenece is the YM didn't break YET, and he contacted the dealer right away, with no response, until days later. That response being so sorry, you buy more watches and I will ship you a stem. So why is it that Pure Time can ship a stem with an additional order but can't ship one or more (even though the member was willing to pay for it) by itself?? They claim they can't get one unless the member buys more watches, WTF??
I don't care what the member did to the watch, it was sold with the premise that it takes ALL gen parts (when it does not), that means it takes any and all parts, you drop a whole gen 3135 or piece by piece and all should work fine, but it doesn't. So on that premise the dealer needs to make good on this.
Any of us that spent what this guy did for two wacthes would be pissed like a mother F'er, this is not the same thing as having it for weeks on end, it breaks and now he wants a refund, this is a shitty movement, the dealer knows it, and the maker knows it and admitted it, and now says the problem is fixed, yeah sure it is.
I don't care what the member did to the watch, it was sold with the premise that it takes ALL gen parts (when it does not), that means it takes any and all parts, you drop a whole gen 3135 or piece by piece and all should work fine, but it doesn't. So on that premise the dealer needs to make good on this.
Any of us that spent what this guy did for two wacthes would be pissed like a mother F'er, this is not the same thing as having it for weeks on end, it breaks and now he wants a refund, this is a shitty movement, the dealer knows it, and the maker knows it and admitted it, and now says the problem is fixed, yeah sure it is.
I'm for one is going to wait things out for v2,3,4 until it there is a stable movement with available parts.
bibi13, contact TB here, I'm sure he's aware of this thread and the premise around it. Maybe he can work something out with the dealer to refund or replace your watches, or he may advise to do what you have to do to get your funds back, but contact TB to discuss your options.
col is already ON it....talked to him today...he is trying his best to source at min stems I believe. it's all work out in time I am sure. I have seen it ALL before many times over.
Guys, based on bibi13's watchmaker opinion, it is not "just the stem" but poor replication/quality of the movement. This is what I was afraid of
warcraft, exactly my point.
txrob, thats all fine and dandy but getting the guy a stem hardly fixes the problem and I'm sure the Col is already involved but I thought I should make the point anyway.:sub4me:
I'm sure theres others having the same or similiar problems but are to shy to speak up. How many members have come and gone because a dealer F's them, by pulling shit like this, seems alot as of late. A member shouldn't have to go to the boss to get whats expected and to force the dealer to do thier job. This should have been handled by the dealer right away and this thread would be a page or three only. Instead were on page whatever and nothing is solved. Also I know you own one of these watches and I'm sure your not gonna be to thrilled should it break soon. Were not talking about the typical noob rep here this guy spent alot of funds for two watches and got 15 minutes of wear.
txrob, thats all fine and dandy but getting the guy a stem hardly fixes the problem and I'm sure the Col is already involved but I thought I should make the point anyway.:sub4me:
I'm sure theres others having the same or similiar problems but are to shy to speak up. How many members have come and gone because a dealer F's them, by pulling shit like this, seems alot as of late. A member shouldn't have to go to the boss to get whats expected and to force the dealer to do thier job. This should have been handled by the dealer right away and this thread would be a page or three only. Instead were on page whatever and nothing is solved. Also I know you own one of these watches and I'm sure your not gonna be to thrilled should it break soon. Were not talking about the typical noob rep here this guy spent alot of funds for two watches and got 15 minutes of wear.
The boss was already on it I think...it wasnt on my account fyi.
I set my date and time a bit ago, guess what..IT WORKED lol
Rob
I set my date and time a bit ago, guess what..IT WORKED lol
Rob
I think puretime shall not fOrce bibi to buy a watch and get a stem. As for the movt, it did manage to get the gen dial and hands on right? It just that the stem is broken and can't go it back...
Regarding the sweetspot problem , I think the rep 3135 is suppose to be like that. I can accept since I am expecting a rep and not a gen. It has no problem at all except abit difficult to find the date adjustment spot. I think we need to be a bit realistic abt rep. It still turn exactly like a real 3135 and still has the 28,800bph and still running And still keep the time.
Regarding the sweetspot problem , I think the rep 3135 is suppose to be like that. I can accept since I am expecting a rep and not a gen. It has no problem at all except abit difficult to find the date adjustment spot. I think we need to be a bit realistic abt rep. It still turn exactly like a real 3135 and still has the 28,800bph and still running And still keep the time.
I'm seriously thinking about taking one for the team getting a 3135 just to let ziggy tear it apart and give us feedback. Of course I would want some sort of modded watch as a end result
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just to add my own observations to this:
My YM stopped so i had to start it up again..this after not wearing it since Sat afternoon..(Mon afternoon now for me)
I did manual winding (about 30times)..did not encounter any issue of jumping hands when the crown is pushed back in..and i can get the sweet spot for the date change position every single time now..
Carry on..opcorn:
My YM stopped so i had to start it up again..this after not wearing it since Sat afternoon..(Mon afternoon now for me)
I did manual winding (about 30times)..did not encounter any issue of jumping hands when the crown is pushed back in..and i can get the sweet spot for the date change position every single time now..
Carry on..
opcorn:Good to hear, hopefully you got a good one and it won't be any trouble. I still don't like the searching for a spot bit, we need it to work every time not sometimes. But its good yours is working.:sub4me:
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I want it to work everytime as well mate..anyway I have also highlighted this to Angus and hopefully he'll do something about it..
My concern now is whether to mod the watch with a gen dial/hands..that's what i originally planned to do...
or even a relume but if the stem breaks then that'll be crap.. :facepalm: