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[mojojojay]

DD , am i right to say if the items i bought originated from reputable seller/member from RG/WC/RWG/RWI . its the "GEN" EL fiddy ?

and the part where it was call out for not being an EL front loading fiddy is this , something i've already posted up in the previous threads , if you actually read and look at the pictures . in case you didnt , here are the pictures on which was called out not to be a front loader .

cloneman- this was what came to me as a EL FIDDY Unmodded and its not the V1 for sure

 

[daytonadragon]

Slimslim - DD is from RG with 1500 post and 20 positive feedbacks and some lost when RG crash sometime ago . its not like i want to prove him wrong or anything , i'm asking for how the hell to tell for sure what GEN EL fiddy look like . i've asked him over at RG , and im asking him again here at RWI . SHOW SOME PICTURES OF WHAT YOUR GEN EL FIDDY LOOK LIKE and how is it different from HP . take it apart and show us its a front loading ? i DID and i took pictures of it to show

mojojojay,

I will not take apart my EL PAM 127 fiddy.

That would be like asking me to take apart my super franken PAM 087with gen dial, gen hands and gen crown guard to prove to you that it is supper franken PAM 087. That also applies to my super franken PAM 064 with gen dial and gen hands, the same applies to my super franken Daytona which has a gen 1988 floating cosmograph dial and el primero zenith movement along with my gen Rolex and Tudor watches and gen vintage watches.

Cloneman, Thank you for your input on RWI and RG regarding whether or not mojojojay has EL PAM 127 fiddy parts.

As I have said before and I will say it again, mojojay has a very nice PAM 127 fiddy which does not have 100% EL PAM parts. It would be like calling a BK noobmariner a BK WM9 if the BK noobmariner had WM9 hands.

DD , am i right to say if the items i bought originated from reputable seller/member from RG/WC/RWG/RWI . its the "GEN" EL fiddy ?

and the part where it was call out for not being an EL front loading fiddy is this , something i've already posted up in the previous threads , if you actually read and look at the pictures . in case you didnt , here are the pictures on which was called out not to be a front loader .

cloneman- this was what came to me as a EL FIDDY Unmodded and its not the V1 for sure

Mojojojay,

It looks like the dial in your pictures has a flaw with the "MADE" as the E looks as if has been damaged, it could be due how your camera took the picture of the dial. Cloneman, has made many good points regarding how you can determine if you have an EL PAM 127 case and dial.

 

[Darthmemnoch]

Okay... I seriously don't have the time to read through all the posts at this point in time but my views are as follows.

Jay had honestly posted questions in RG on whether his parts are EL or not and he had received feedback upon which he had made his own judgement on the parts he have. If you have any problems with his assessment, you can bring on the evidence and it will be an educational process. No issues. You can even start a new thread for this.

I am of the view that for rep parts, unless you have provenance, i.e papers from EL or a sales receipt, there is no way of ever telling if a part is EL or not. So even your two watches that you have may be in doubt. However we can satisfy ourselves as to the characteristics of the watch parts, i.e whether it is front loading or not.

Jay is going the Franken route, so eventually he may switch out all his parts. So it may make little difference to him. He has not attempted to sell his watch and if he does, you can question him then.

Jay is Singaporean but this has nothing to do with whether his watch is EL or not. You should keep your comments to issues relating to the watch and not make strange irrelevant but irritating references to his country.

 

[mojojojay]

there's bound to be pictures of it being taken apart or being parts thats getting put together . and from cloneman's post , he didnt mention anything about it not being EL fiddy . you are the only one stating that its not a EL fiddy . and getting a EL dial , EL cg , EL case from different source and putting it together and still i cant call it a EL fiddy , then can you tell me what can i call it ? as we all know , EL fiddy is not perfect as it is , still need some moddings and change the hands and movement and also have high canon pin installed and cg pin polished . and most who own EL fiddy would have sent it to modders and get the above mention done to their EL , would it not be called EL FIDDY after all that ? even the quality and shape of the case is not all hits as there were 5 versions of it . would you want a v1 or a v5 EL fiddy and use as it is with no mods done to it ? after stating the frankens and gens you own and how anal you can be with regards to EL fiddy , i suppose you wont . i got it broke down into parts to have it reinstalled with better parts and pictures to show . till now after so many post , you've yet to tell me , no a better word is to educate me , how to tell a EL from a HP . all you are saying now is the EL fiddy i have or from your words claim to be EL is actually HP . for the last time , PLEASE educate me and the rest of the geeks who's reading this thread how to identify a GEN EL FIDDY .

as for gens .
this are some of which i own

even with all these , it doesnt make me a better person then you are end of the day , its still a REPLICA watch we are talking about . i can well afford a gen fiddy if i want to but whats the fun in it , we are all here to build up our hobby collections , talking about watches and having fun with it . takiing pictures and showing it off to fellow geeks . whats the point of building something and you show it and get negatives replies on it ?

mojojojay,

I will not take apart my EL PAM 127 fiddy.

That would be like asking me to take apart my super franken PAM 087with gen dial, gen hands and gen crown guard to prove to you that it is supper franken PAM 087. That also applies to my super franken PAM 064 with gen dial and gen hands, the same applies to my super franken Daytona which has a gen 1988 floating cosmograph dial and el primero zenith movement along with my gen Rolex and Tudor watches and gen vintage watches.

Cloneman, Thank you for your input on RWI and RG regarding whether or not mojojojay has EL PAM 127 fiddy parts.

As I have said before and I will say it again, mojojay has a very nice PAM 127 fiddy which does not have 100% EL PAM parts. It would be like calling a BK noobmariner a BK WM9 if the BK noobmariner had WM9 hands.

 

[daytonadragon]

mojojojay,

The EL PAM fiddy experts on RG who have high post counts and many positive feedbacks who are well respected for their knowledge were the ones who posted on RG that you did not have EL PAM 127 dial and case back when you posted pictures of your PAM parts.

WIth regard to your quote:

QUOTE

even with all these , it doesnt make me a better person then you are end of the day , its still a REPLICA watch we are talking about . i can well afford a gen fiddy if i want to but whats the fun in it , we are all here to build up our hobby collections , talking about watches and having fun with it . takiing pictures and showing it off to fellow geeks . whats the point of building something and you show it and get negatives replies on it ?

UNQUOTE

Questioning the source of the parts and the type of rep parts is NOT NEGATIVE.

 

[mojojojay]

Thank you cloneman,

The point I am making is that when mojojojay posted pictures of his PAM 127 cases on RG asking if they were EL PAM 127 cases, the response to his post was his PAM 127 cases were not EL PAM 127 cases.


I would hate to see somebody on another forum whether it is this site or RWGforum site and or the wristcheck site purchase a PAM 127 fiddy which is being sold as an EL PAM 127 fiddy when it is not an EL PAM 127 fiddy.

mojojojay has yet to prove his PAM 127 case is an EL PAM 127 case; the same applies to his PAM 127 dial and crown guard.

How would you feel if you were the person on one of the other forums who was looking to purchase an EL PAM fiddy and you find out the so called EL PAM fiddy you purchased was not an EL PAM 127 fiddy and it was cobbled together using parts that were not EL PAM fiddy parts.

first of all i would ask the person who said it is not a EL PAM FIDDY how to tell for sure its not EL FIDDY .

and please educate me on how to tell if its a EL top loading pam fiddy case .
as from previous post i made , i've been very polite in asking you to educate me and the rest of the geeks here on how to tell if its a EL fiddy or a HP fiddy .
and finally please tell me again , why do i have to proof its a EDDIE LEE ? does proving it to be a GEN EL makes me a better person , or gives me a mind blowing orgasm ? or do i have to proof it so you'll like me ? do i have to make my way to spinmaster and have him take it apart and examine it and proof to you its a EL fiddy so you'll sleep better at night ? if so , please SHOW me how you do it , take apart your GEN EL FIDDY , and prove to US that YOURS is a GEN EL FIDDY .

well the EL PAM FIDDY EXPERTS ON RG WHO HAVE HIGH POST COUNTS AND MANY POSITIVE FEEDBACKS WHO ARE WELL RESPECTED FOR THEIR KNOWLEDGE call out this particular case out of the 3 i had for not being EL but cartel rear loading ( 3rd time here im saying this with pictures attached)

but none of them say anything about the other 2 not being EL as i can remember , got to wait for RG to come back up so i can go take a look .
which are these 2 case . so far you are the only one saying its not EL

mojojojay,

The EL PAM fiddy experts on RG who have high post counts and many positive feedbacks who are well respected for their knowledge were the ones who posted on RG that you did not have EL PAM 127 dial and case back when you posted pictures of your PAM parts.

WIth regard to your quote:

QUOTE

even with all these , it doesnt make me a better person then you are end of the day , its still a REPLICA watch we are talking about . i can well afford a gen fiddy if i want to but whats the fun in it , we are all here to build up our hobby collections , talking about watches and having fun with it . takiing pictures and showing it off to fellow geeks . whats the point of building something and you show it and get negatives replies on it ?

UNQUOTE

Questioning the source of the parts and the type of rep parts is NOT NEGATIVE.

 

[cloneman]

ok lets relax here, whats next pulling out our peepee's and comparing? lol

ok like i told mojo in a pm

no one ever forgets who they got an EL/honpo 127, the origins would be the first thing they ask for since thats like a guarantee its real, in essence that would mean everyone can say they have a true EL 127 and sell for 1000$ for example.

like i told mojo in pm, the dial that was damaged looks better than the 1 he has now, and it all goes back to price point and where are the origins for it...guys the El dial is very very close to a gen, would anyone sell it for 100-200$ when they can get 300$ easy?

come on, a gen dial goes for 1400$ and thats if you can find it , so asking even 500 lumed is not out of the question, common sense

 

[daytonadragon]

there's bound to be pictures of it being taken apart or being parts thats getting put together . and from cloneman's post , he didnt mention anything about it not being EL fiddy . you are the only one stating that its not a EL fiddy . and getting a EL dial , EL cg , EL case from different source and putting it together and still i cant call it a EL fiddy , then can you tell me what can i call it ? as we all know , EL fiddy is not perfect as it is , still need some moddings and change the hands and movement and also have high canon pin installed and cg pin polished . and most who own EL fiddy would have sent it to modders and get the above mention done to their EL , would it not be called EL FIDDY after all that ? even the quality and shape of the case is not all hits as there were 5 versions of it . would you want a v1 or a v5 EL fiddy and use as it is with no mods done to it ? after stating the frankens and gens you own and how anal you can be with regards to EL fiddy , i suppose you wont . i got it broke down into parts to have it reinstalled with better parts and pictures to show . till now after so many post , you've yet to tell me , no a better word is to educate me , how to tell a EL from a HP . all you are saying now is the EL fiddy i have or from your words claim to be EL is actually HP . for the last time , PLEASE educate me and the rest of the geeks who's reading this thread how to identify a GEN EL FIDDY .

as for gens .
this are some of which i own

even with all these , it doesnt make me a better person then you are end of the day , its still a REPLICA watch we are talking about . i can well afford a gen fiddy if i want to but whats the fun in it , we are all here to build up our hobby collections , talking about watches and having fun with it . takiing pictures and showing it off to fellow geeks . whats the point of building something and you show it and get negatives replies on it ?

first of all i would ask the person who said it is not a EL PAM FIDDY how to tell for sure its not EL FIDDY .

and please educate me on how to tell if its a EL top loading pam fiddy case .
as from previous post i made , i've been very polite in asking you to educate me and the rest of the geeks here on how to tell if its a EL fiddy or a HP fiddy .
and finally please tell me again , why do i have to proof its a EDDIE LEE ? does proving it to be a GEN EL makes me a better person , or gives me a mind blowing orgasm ? or do i have to proof it so you'll like me ? do i have to make my way to spinmaster and have him take it apart and examine it and proof to you its a EL fiddy so you'll sleep better at night ? if so , please SHOW me how you do it , take apart your GEN EL FIDDY , and prove to US that YOURS is a GEN EL FIDDY .

My EL PAM 127 was purchased from spinmaster in May 2010 and it was modded by spinmaster. In May 2010, Alvinado sent me PM's congratulating me on purchasing my EL PAM 127 fiddy from spimaster. Are you implying that spinmaster soldl me a FAKE EL PAM 127 fiddy?

No need for you update us on your sex life on how it pertains to your PAM 127 fiddy as I am not interested in how your sex life pertains to whether or not like as I am somebody who never did frequent Bugis Street in Singapore for what you so eloquently refer to in your post.

Cloneman has questioned whether or not you have gen EL PAM 127 fiddy parts and he has educated you on how to tell if you have EL PAM fiddy parts, the same applies to you being educated on RG. When it was proven on RG that you did not have gen EL PAM 127 fiddy parts you stopped posting on RG as you could not accept you did not have gen EL PAM 127 fiddy parts.

 

[mojojojay]

im sure pec will be posting soon once you talk about size of peepees clone .
And i totally agree with you the damage one is a better looking one , even tot of having it relume and swap till i get funds for franken build . but the dial i have on it dont look half bad , i dont know for sure cos i have had it on my wrist yet .

 

[daytonadragon]

ok lets relax here, whats next pulling out our peepee's and comparing? lol

ok like i told mojo in a pm

no one ever forgets who they got an EL/honpo 127, the origins would be the first thing they ask for since thats like a guarantee its real, in essence that would mean everyone can say they have a true EL 127 and sell for 1000$ for example.

like i told mojo in pm, the dial that was damaged looks better than the 1 he has now, and it all goes back to price point and where are the origins for it...guys the El dial is very very close to a gen, would anyone sell it for 100-200$ when they can get 300$ easy?

come on, a gen dial goes for 1400$ and thats if you can find it , so asking even 500 lumed is not out of the question, common sense

The dial on mojojojay PAM 127 does not look like an EL PAM 127 dial which is a dead give away that his watch is not an EL PAM 127 fiddy.

I will repeat my previous question, if somebody installs WM9 hands on a BK noobmariner does that mean the BK noobmariner suddenly is classified as a BK WM9 Rolex sub.

The same applies to an EL PAM fiddy 127, if somebody installs an EL PAM crown on a cartel PAM 127 PAM fiddy does that mean the cartel PAM 127 fiddy suddenly become an EL PAM 127 fiddy.

 

[Maximos]

lol... this guy exhibits all classic characteristics of a troll.

the fact that his watch may be a fake EL PAM 127 fiddy doesn't pertain because he intends to convert his fake EL PAM 127 fiddy to a franken EL PAM 127 fiddy with gen PAM 127 fiddy parts. (READ: NOT EL). you can stop repeating yourself.

also, you haven't bothered to post pics of yours, or really acknowledge any sort of oppositional contact. which is a dead give away that you're a TROLL.

 

[mojojojay]

well arent you doing the same as for now ? implying the bigcrown sells fake EL fiddy parts ? who cares if you visit Bugis street or orchard road 50yrs ago ? n since when i'm updating you on my sex life ?
cloneman asked questions and i answered them , in which post did he said its not EL FIDDY YOU HAVE THERE .

My EL PAM 127 was purchased from spinmaster in May 2010 and it was modded by spinmaster. In May 2010, Alvinado sent me PM's congratulating me on purchasing my EL PAM 127 fiddy from spimaster. Are you implying that spinmaster soldl me a FAKE EL PAM 127 fiddy?

No need for you update us on your sex life on how it pertains to your PAM 127 fiddy as I am not interested in how your sex life pertains to whether or not like as I am somebody who never did frequent Bugis Street in Singapore for what you so eloquently refer to in your post.

Cloneman has questioned whether or not you have gen EL PAM 127 fiddy parts and he has educated you on how to tell if you have EL PAM fiddy parts, the same applies to you being educated on RG. When it was proven on RG that you did not have gen EL PAM 127 fiddy parts you stopped posting on RG as you could not accept you did not have gen EL PAM 127 fiddy parts.

 

[cloneman]

the 1 he has now on his 127 , i agree i dont think is an EL dial, the damaged one could be because it looks better than the one he has now for sure and its not a dsn or cartel but without the lswissl at the bottom its worthless

when buying an EL 127 , what you really are getting is the case,bezel,dial and cg, rest is a crapshoot

 

[daytonadragon]

im sure pec will be posting soon once you talk about size of peepees clone .
And i totally agree with you the damage one is a better looking one , even tot of having it relume and swap till i get funds for franken build . but the dial i have on it dont look half bad , i dont know for sure cos i have had it on my wrist yet .

You have a very nice PAM 127 dial which is a cartel dial that has been re lumed. Your dial is not an EL PAM 127 dial.

 

[cloneman]

lol... this guy exhibits all classic characteristics of a troll.

the fact that his watch may be a fake EL PAM 127 fiddy doesn't pertain because he intends to convert his fake EL PAM 127 fiddy to a franken EL PAM 127 fiddy with gen PAM 127 fiddy parts. (READ: NOT EL). you can stop repeating yourself.

also, you haven't bothered to post pics of yours, or really acknowledge any sort of oppositional contact. which is a dead give away that you're a TROLL.

actually doing a franken on a 127 if the base (case) is not very very close to the gen is not the best idea

 

[Maximos]

I hope you're aware that 99% of the population doesn't know (or care, frankly) what a Panerai is, let alone what a proper 127 case looks like as opposed to an improper one (like if the midcase is a little bigger on the rep, or the lugs are 2 degrees off, or whatever the case may be).

 

[cloneman]

hope you are aware that spending money on making a franken out of something that might not look real is a waste of money, if the franken route is what was intended from day 1 then he should have waited and just bought peices slowly but now when he dissects it and starts selling off peices, can he say its EL parts?

 

[daytonadragon]

lol... this guy exhibits all classic characteristics of a troll.

the fact that his watch may be a fake EL PAM 127 fiddy doesn't pertain because he intends to convert his fake EL PAM 127 fiddy to a franken EL PAM 127 fiddy with gen PAM 127 fiddy parts. (READ: NOT EL). you can stop repeating yourself.

also, you haven't bothered to post pics of yours, or really acknowledge any sort of oppositional contact. which is a dead give away that you're a TROLL.

I am not a troll as I have over 1,200 posts at RG and over 20 positive feedbacks at RG including the ones that were lost when RG crashed in April/May 2010.

My EL PAM 127 was purchased from spimaster in May 2010.

It is very hard to convert a fake EL PAM 127 fiddy into a franken EL PAM 127 fiddy with gen PAM 127 fiddy parts when the PAM 127 you are starting out with does not have EL PAM 127 fiddy parts.

 

[Maximos]

I was simply reiterating his motives. Not my money, watch, or decision. You gentlemen keep beating a dead horse. Let him enjoy what he has done, nobody would criticise you for doing the same.

 

[daytonadragon]

hope you are aware that spending money on making a franken out of something that might not look real is a waste of money, if the franken route is what was intended from day 1 then he should have waited and just bought peices slowly but now when he dissects it and starts selling off peices, can he say its EL parts?

I totally agree and that was one of the purposes of my initial post to this thread which was preventing the selling of the fake EL PAM 127 fiddy parts on another rep site. The fake EL PAM 127 parts will be a tough sale on RG as they were already pointed out to be fake EL PAM 127 fiddy parts on RG.