OK , beside dial , now CG .
These parts are all buoght by Jay himself from RG or here .
Now Jay have to check each seller about " these parts are not EL once " .
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OK , beside dial , now CG .
These parts are all buoght by Jay himself from RG or here .
Now Jay have to check each seller about " these parts are not EL once " .
goin6633, Thank you verifying that the parts are not "gen" EL PAM 127 parts.
Not only is the crown guard not an EL crown guard the case back is not an EL PAM 127 case back.
Looks as if mojojojay has a HP (hodge podge) PAM 127 instead of a EL PAM 127.
What does " gen " EL parts means ?
Where's the " gen " from ????
You're calling the rep parts to gen ?
Eddi Lee is a name of a rep dealer .
And the watch was build from Taiwan lots years ago .
That's what I feel funny about what you're talking about .
Even the member who got two gen 127 tell me the one for Jay is realiy a beauty .
And you're still caring about the parts is EL or not .
Also , I never said those are not EL parts , I said EL might got lots version we don't know .
I don't care where the parts from at all .
Just good or bad .
Where's the " gen " from ????
You're calling the rep parts to gen ?
Eddi Lee is a name of a rep dealer .
And the watch was build from Taiwan lots years ago .
That's what I feel funny about what you're talking about .
Even the member who got two gen 127 tell me the one for Jay is realiy a beauty .
And you're still caring about the parts is EL or not .
Also , I never said those are not EL parts , I said EL might got lots version we don't know .
I don't care where the parts from at all .
Just good or bad .
Thank you for verifying the dial, crown guard and case back are not "gen" EL parts.
We did our best trying to educate mojojojay on RG that his parts were not "gen" EL parts and he did not want to accept our advice. It is a shame he has spent over $1,000 USD building a HP (hodge podge) PAM 117 which is made up of confused or disorderly collection of "messed up" and "jumbled" PAM 127 fiddy parts.
He now has a hodge podge PAM 117 fiddy which he will never be able to recoup his investment.
The dial, crown guard, case back are not "gen" EL PAM 127 parts.
So sorry to see that mojojojay spent a lot of money on non genuine EL PAM 127 fiddy parts.
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I'm all for educating folks, but you seem to derive some strange pleasure out of pointing out all this. Mojo seems very happy with it, and this thread was not intended to debate the origin of the parts of his watch. It's Mojo's money, he can spend as he pleases and only he has to justify it.
This would be more appropriate if this were a Sales thread and there was a concern for potential buyers. As it stands right now, it is not.
mojojojay has a nice PAM 127 fiddy assembled from non EL PAM 127 parts.
Look at this way, a RWI members wants help building a spinmaster Daytona, he posts he is looking for parts to build a spinmaster Daytona, he purchases what he believes are spinmaster Daytona parts, and has somebody assemble the so called spinmaster parts into a spimnaster Daytona and then posts pictures of his spinmaster Daytona with out any verification from spinmaster that parts are indeed spinmaster Daytona parts.
The above applies to mojojojay HP (hodge podge) PAM 127 which IS NOT an EL PAM 127 fiddy.
The dial already has been ascertained as not being an EL dial the crown guard is the wrong crown guard to be a EL PAM 127 crown guard and the case back is not an EL PAM 127 case back.
By no means do I have "some strange pleasure out of pointing out all this" to him that he does not have an EL PAM 127 fiddy. I am pleased he is happy with his PAM 127 fiddy.
The purpose of my posts are very simple, when somebody posts they have an EL PAM 127 fiddy and the watch is not an EL PAM 127 fiddy, it needs to be discussed and brought to the attention of the poster who claims they have an EL PAM 127 fiddy when they do not have an EL PAM 127 fiddy. The same would apply to somebody who posts pictures of a Rolex rep which they claim to be a BK WM9 Rolex rep when the watch is not a BK WM9.
I compared the pictures of mojojojay HP PAM 127 to my EL PAM 127 and EL PAM 217.
Based on goin6633 pictures of the case back on mojojojay HP PAM 127, the crown guard is not flush on the back of the watch which means either the crown guard is not an EL PAM 1227 crown guard and or the case is not an EL PAM 127 case back.
I would like to thank the RG members who post to RWI on alerting me via PM and email that mojojojay PAM 127 is not an EL PAM 127.
mojojojay, you have a nice PAM 127 which was assembled from a hodge podge of PAM 127 parts that are not EL PAM 127 parts. Your PAM 127 is a nice decent average PAM 127 fiddy which is comparable to the current cartel PAM 127's.
I suggest you get a nice high end strap such as an donerix, or gunny which will go well with your PAM 127 which is not an EL PAM 127.
Based on goin6633 pictures of the case back on mojojojay HP PAM 127, the crown guard is not flush on the back of the watch which means either the crown guard is not an EL PAM 1227 crown guard and or the case is not an EL PAM 127 case back.
I would like to thank the RG members who post to RWI on alerting me via PM and email that mojojojay PAM 127 is not an EL PAM 127.
mojojojay, you have a nice PAM 127 which was assembled from a hodge podge of PAM 127 parts that are not EL PAM 127 parts. Your PAM 127 is a nice decent average PAM 127 fiddy which is comparable to the current cartel PAM 127's.
I suggest you get a nice high end strap such as an donerix, or gunny which will go well with your PAM 127 which is not an EL PAM 127.
Look DD , for the last time . please tell us how you know or what to look out for to see if its a GEN EL .
and the reason i stop posting at RG is because you are the only one trying to prove that its not a EL fiddy but not saying how you know .but no answer to that over at RG . im stating mine as a EL 127 FIDDY is because i bought it as a EL 127 Fiddy . for whole thread at RG and now here at RWI please fill us in on the above questions .
and the reason i stop posting at RG is because you are the only one trying to prove that its not a EL fiddy but not saying how you know .but no answer to that over at RG . im stating mine as a EL 127 FIDDY is because i bought it as a EL 127 Fiddy . for whole thread at RG and now here at RWI please fill us in on the above questions .
His damaged PAM 127 dial does not look like a real EL PAM 127 dial which means most likely the case is not a real EL PAM 127 case.
Also his case back ring has the wrong number for an EL PAM 127 case back ring which means his PAM 127 case is not an EL PAM 127 case.
Also his case back ring has the wrong number for an EL PAM 127 case back ring which means his PAM 127 case is not an EL PAM 127 case.
I agree it would be helpful to have a comparison of EL Pam 127 and 217 fiddy crown guards versus cartel PAM 127 and 217 crown guards.
V1 and V2 EL crown guards are not as good as V3 and V4 EL crown guards, likewise the same applies to EL PAM fiddy cases.
The crown guard on mojojojay's HP PAM 127 fiddy is not the same quality as a V1 and V2 EL PAM fiddy crown guard.
I would never buy a PAM 127 and or PAM 217 fiddy that somebody claimed was assembled from EL PAM fiddy parts unless the seller was well known and had documentation where the EL parts came from or the watch had been sold previously by a well known respected sellers.
I feel bad for mojojojay as he has spent over $1,000 USD to assemble a PAM 127 fiddy when he could have bought the real deal for $600 to $800 with real EL PAM fiddy parts.
V1 and V2 EL crown guards are not as good as V3 and V4 EL crown guards, likewise the same applies to EL PAM fiddy cases.
The crown guard on mojojojay's HP PAM 127 fiddy is not the same quality as a V1 and V2 EL PAM fiddy crown guard.
I would never buy a PAM 127 and or PAM 217 fiddy that somebody claimed was assembled from EL PAM fiddy parts unless the seller was well known and had documentation where the EL parts came from or the watch had been sold previously by a well known respected sellers.
I feel bad for mojojojay as he has spent over $1,000 USD to assemble a PAM 127 fiddy when he could have bought the real deal for $600 to $800 with real EL PAM fiddy parts.
Davidsen (DSN) has some nice PAM fiddys. mojojojay dial looks like a Davidsen 127 or T4D's Ultimate Fiddy dial.
mojojojay case back is not an EL PAM 127 fiddy based on the number on the case back of mojojojay's fiddy which is more proof that the case back is not an EL PAM fiddy case back.
mojojojay has a nice PAM 127, however it is not an EL PAM 127.
Again, thanks to everyone who has sent me PM's and emails verifying that mojojojay watch is not an EL PAM 127 and is a collection of parts which are not EL.
You are correct in saying it is fair to say the watch is better than cartel.
The watch is better than cartel because it was re assembled with "better" cartel parts, has a better movement than a cartel movement, has a nice lume, and the quality of work assembling it is much better than cartel labor.
It would not be fair to say that it was worth an extra $600 to $700 in the costs incurred by the owner of the watch to have an "ultimate" cartel PAM 127. If the owner tries to sell the PAM 127, he will be lucky to get $450 for the watch.
mojojojay case back is not an EL PAM 127 fiddy based on the number on the case back of mojojojay's fiddy which is more proof that the case back is not an EL PAM fiddy case back.
mojojojay has a nice PAM 127, however it is not an EL PAM 127.
Again, thanks to everyone who has sent me PM's and emails verifying that mojojojay watch is not an EL PAM 127 and is a collection of parts which are not EL.
You are correct in saying it is fair to say the watch is better than cartel.
The watch is better than cartel because it was re assembled with "better" cartel parts, has a better movement than a cartel movement, has a nice lume, and the quality of work assembling it is much better than cartel labor.
It would not be fair to say that it was worth an extra $600 to $700 in the costs incurred by the owner of the watch to have an "ultimate" cartel PAM 127. If the owner tries to sell the PAM 127, he will be lucky to get $450 for the watch.
Members of RG pm you ? Look , RG is down for a couple of days so your so called members of RG nominate you to do this ? Instead of pointing it out themselves here ? Look DD EL or HP , you pointed out and emphasis on many post on HP and mine not being EL . And you've compared to your el 127 & 217 . So how about some pictures of your 'GEN' EL fiddy ? So we can do a comparison ?
Mojojojay, Chill out and have some beef kway teow and or nasi lamak for lunch on Thursday, 1 April in Singapore.
Firstly, you are wrong in alluding and accusing me that "so called RG members have nominated me to point out your PAM 127 is not an EL PAM 127.
Secondly, with RG down, I am communicating with RG members via email and via PM on RWI.
Thirdly, no need for me to post pictures of my EL PAM 127 and 217 fiddys as they can be easily be found on RG when it is up and running which will be soon.
Fourthly, When it was pointed to you on RG that your PAM fiddy parts were not EL PAM fiddy parts you stopped posting on RG. My PAM 127 was purchased in May 2010 from a very well respected RG member who is based in Singapore
Fifthly, You contacted me numerous times in December 2010 and January 2011 begging me to sell you my EL PAM 127 fiddy and when you found out I had an EL PAM 217 you sent me numerous PM's begging me to sell you my EL PAM 217.
Sixthly, RWI members who posted to this thread have sent me PM's advising you your dial is not a EL PAM 127 dial.
Seventhly, You have nice PAM 127 which is not an EL PAM 127.
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well it is not a bad idea to post pics of ur el. and point all the differences that u are talking about, it doesnt matter if the pics are at rg , becouse u are posting here at rwi. and looks that u are taking ur time to responce every comment and ending saying is not an el. so it would be the rite thing to post the pics and prove what u are talking about . the guy that u are calling out is asking u for that if i had it i would post it rite away!
DaytonaDragon, CHILL! Let him enjoy the watch he put so much money and work into! No need to take a crap in someones thread. RG will be back up (soon I hope) so you can go troll there.
alright , here's the pictures that were call out for not being a EL top loader , i didnt know as i bought 3 case and 2 of which is EL top loader .
pictures that a senior member at RG pointed out not being a EL
and look at where the arrow is pointing
it shows that a normal back loading case would have an extra movement ring to hold the movement , where a top loader got (dunno what to call it compare the pictures below ) a latch inside the case .
normal cartel fiddy case note the red circle
toploading EL case compared
most thread that teaches you how to id a EL fiddy is by the notch at bezel
in case you dont see it , its at 4 o'clock position
and now on top of the case .
and the dial
i posted these pictures up , so do your job DD . Tell us which part tells you its an EL and which parts tells you its a Honpo ?
afew pictures of you GEN EL FIDDY , its just pictures of it , im sure you dont have to wait for RG to be up then search for the photo's right?Dont you have them on your computer folders ? or couldnt you just snap a picture of it and post it up ?
pictures that a senior member at RG pointed out not being a EL
and look at where the arrow is pointing
it shows that a normal back loading case would have an extra movement ring to hold the movement , where a top loader got (dunno what to call it compare the pictures below ) a latch inside the case .
normal cartel fiddy case note the red circle
toploading EL case compared
most thread that teaches you how to id a EL fiddy is by the notch at bezel
in case you dont see it , its at 4 o'clock position
and now on top of the case .
and the dial
i posted these pictures up , so do your job DD . Tell us which part tells you its an EL and which parts tells you its a Honpo ?
afew pictures of you GEN EL FIDDY , its just pictures of it , im sure you dont have to wait for RG to be up then search for the photo's right?Dont you have them on your computer folders ? or couldnt you just snap a picture of it and post it up ?
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