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Who's 111H? This should answer it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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seadweller4000 said:
I am sure you're right about the A/R on gen 111, but when I went to an AD and saw a 177, the A/R was barely there...
Maybe it was the lighting though.
Joe
evildee said:I'm kinda sadden...
The dial looks totally wrong to me.
1. The indices are too fat and are placed too far out to the edge.
2. The six looks old school.
3. Top slice is still not thick enough. It's getting better though along with the surface.
4. Font spacing is wrong.
The movement looks awesome! Looks Swiss to me. I like. The crown should be hugging the case and maybe too thin for this model.
Sorry OP I don't mean to be rude. These are the first images of the new dial so I had to do a critique.
Actually I agree with this post. While the watch is very nice in terms of quality, as are all davidsen watches, the numerals look far too thick to be gen on a 111. This was the one thing that stood out at me when I first saw the pics.
Not discrediting the watch though. It is a very nice purchase indeed.
I don't think evildee's critique of these flaws is nitpicking. If we didnt care about these sort of details we'd all be buying canal street reps. Okay, maybe thats an exageration, but the point is that it's these very details that are at the heart of why we are here.
My 2 cents.
Very nice watch Jake! I'm getting a new gen 111i this afternoon, will post pics...
do you know if on DSN's 111 the new dagger swan neck reg is functional? up to now, as far as I know, only needle swan neck regs were functional.
do you know if on DSN's 111 the new dagger swan neck reg is functional? up to now, as far as I know, only needle swan neck regs were functional.
Nice comments - all of them. First off, I would like to say we all need to stop and think a little bit that what we are talking about is a $300.00 REP. It is not a Gen that costs $4,000.00 but is a darn good watch for $300.00. With that said, I agree that examining the deficiencies in the watch as compared to a Gen help make a better watch. This watch has gotten so close to a Gen that it is nearly impossible to tell that is not a Gen when it is on the wrist.
My only pet peave is that as a watch gets this close people become fanatical (not in this thread) examining the minutia with 3x photos when they have NEVER even held a Gen in thier hands to really see and feel the differences. And trust me - there are not that many. Things like the size and shape of the font could only be measured in micro or nano meters - not milli meters and when the watch is looked at with the naked eye it is nearly impossible to detect these "flaws".
When it is this close, things like a pointed regulator needle VS a dagger needle, a Swan Neck that has a gap, a crown that is too thin or has dull rounded edges, a floppy crown lever, a watch that doesn't wind smoothly, "L SWISS MADE L" touching the six or a recessed cannon pin are much easier to see or feel, ESPECIALLY if you have ever held a Gen in your hands.
Is Davidsen's watch perfect - no way- is it close- Heck yeah- and to get back to the original question "Who's 111h" you would be a fool if you didn't choose Davidsen's - at least for right now :wink:
Also to answer a few more observations:
Yes the Swan Neck regulator appears to be functioning - no gap!
and yes the crown on these two watches is not one of Davidsens better crowns, not sure why... It appears to me that the crown thickness is very close to one of Davidsens thicker crowns, but the shoulder between the case and crown is thicker and thus it holds the crown away from the case more making the crown appear thinner - wierd.
My only pet peave is that as a watch gets this close people become fanatical (not in this thread) examining the minutia with 3x photos when they have NEVER even held a Gen in thier hands to really see and feel the differences. And trust me - there are not that many. Things like the size and shape of the font could only be measured in micro or nano meters - not milli meters and when the watch is looked at with the naked eye it is nearly impossible to detect these "flaws".
When it is this close, things like a pointed regulator needle VS a dagger needle, a Swan Neck that has a gap, a crown that is too thin or has dull rounded edges, a floppy crown lever, a watch that doesn't wind smoothly, "L SWISS MADE L" touching the six or a recessed cannon pin are much easier to see or feel, ESPECIALLY if you have ever held a Gen in your hands.
Is Davidsen's watch perfect - no way- is it close- Heck yeah- and to get back to the original question "Who's 111h" you would be a fool if you didn't choose Davidsen's - at least for right now :wink:
Also to answer a few more observations:
Yes the Swan Neck regulator appears to be functioning - no gap!
and yes the crown on these two watches is not one of Davidsens better crowns, not sure why... It appears to me that the crown thickness is very close to one of Davidsens thicker crowns, but the shoulder between the case and crown is thicker and thus it holds the crown away from the case more making the crown appear thinner - wierd.
DSN just responded to me by email to confirm that the dagger swan neck is only for "decoration" (information coming from his supplier).
That said, I LOVE his watches, they're my favourite even with the very minor flaws everyone has reported.
That said, I LOVE his watches, they're my favourite even with the very minor flaws everyone has reported.
is it just me or do the crowns sit REALLY far away from the case when the CG is in the closed position? I thought that when the CG lever is closed, the crownis supposed to sit almost flush to the case. no?
tenacious_b said:
B - it was discussed early in this thread and it now appears that the mystery is over. I emailed Davidsen, who looked at my pictures and said his watch maker accidentaly mixed up some old crowns with the new fatter crowns. Davidsen offered to send the new fatter crowns as replacements to make it right. I will post an update picture when they are done...
Jake both of yours look fantastic!! I just got mine today and it looks great except for the "12" which looks somehow strange to me, the 1 seems to short and skinny at the bottom and the 2 seems to wide and fat at the top. Otherwise the watch is really really nice. Am I crazy or do any of you see what i'm talking about... if it's that obvious to everyone else then i gotta send it back b/c i am one anal mofo about this stuff...
@ speed freak, dont know why, but yours looks a little bit nicer than the original poster's. I think its because the crown is more sniggly fitted to the case.
My problem with the new dial is that all the numbers....especially the 6, seem too thick to me. The font on the 12 is a bit odd as well.
IMHO Davidsen's new 111 doesn't have fewer flaws than 111's offered elsewhere, just DIFFERENT ones. Granted it's probably still the nicest out of the box 111 you can get, but I question whether it's worth near twice the cost of other swiss 6497 pam reps.
My problem with the new dial is that all the numbers....especially the 6, seem too thick to me. The font on the 12 is a bit odd as well.
IMHO Davidsen's new 111 doesn't have fewer flaws than 111's offered elsewhere, just DIFFERENT ones. Granted it's probably still the nicest out of the box 111 you can get, but I question whether it's worth near twice the cost of other swiss 6497 pam reps.
I got my 111H today as well 
Seems like I got the same minor issue as Jake's: thinner crown
@Jake: Did you order the extra spring bars? Or, are they included in the package?
@Speedfreak: Congrats, my friend. You seem to get the fatter crown. The "12" is not the big issue for me. I can notice it in your "blown up" picture, but it won't be noticeable in the real size.
Seems like I got the same minor issue as Jake's: thinner crown @Jake: Did you order the extra spring bars? Or, are they included in the package?
@Speedfreak: Congrats, my friend. You seem to get the fatter crown. The "12" is not the big issue for me. I can notice it in your "blown up" picture, but it won't be noticeable in the real size.
Jake48 said:
I am not talking about the thinkness of the crown itself. I am talking about the distance that the crown stem seems to be sticking out of the case when the cg level is closed. regardless of crown thickness, the one in his pictures show the bottom of the crown sitting flush against the case when the cg lever is closed.
Here's mine. Take a closer look at the crown. It's not flushed to the case as tenacious_b pointed out in the previous post
I had major issues with my last Davidsen as well.....Why is this guy not getting repremanded for his lousy QC?
I had to send my watch back 3 times!!!
For such an expensive watch the QC is shit...Speekfreaks dial is horrible.
I had to send my watch back 3 times!!!
For such an expensive watch the QC is shit...Speekfreaks dial is horrible.