"Who Has the Best Sub" Blind Rate - Need your help

[StreetFighter]

Yeah I was expectnig more participation, I think people only care about the result rather than participating in a review, next time I will just post the review.

I did a few votes, but it appeared to be a bit of a workload to go through them all, I think many of us are too busy or lack the motivation, it'd take quite a bit of time to go through and rate all those aspects. I look forward to your opinion/review through..

 

[Russkiy Doc]

Mine does that sometimes when using iphone.... the built-in forum protection stops it when I'm on desktop. Can't delete them but edit them and put "double", or in your case.. double, triple and ffs. lol.

ffs ... Ahahaha!!! Exactly!

 

[muiramas]

I did a few votes, but it appeared to be a bit of a workload to go through them all, I think many of us are too busy or lack the motivation, it'd take quite a bit of time to go through and rate all those aspects. I look forward to your opinion/review through..

Same here. Its a chore.
Should have been set up as a poll.
The answer will be different in a few months anyway as batches change and new releases come out.

 

[Yogibear]

Oh well, I just checked my friend's GMT and its BH was easy to spot. It can easily be seen if you are under natural / warm lightning, just tilt your watch and there it is.

I agree with you about AR transparency and magnifying power, but i think that BH and Halo effect are just as important if not more important than these 2 aspects!
It's really the first thing you see in most indoors / outdoors scenarios

Does it really matter though? No factory got the crystal right. You have to buy gen crystal on reps anyways. Most people swap to gen crystal right away.

 

[mari115]

Does it really matter though? No factory got the crystal right. You have to buy gen crystal on reps anyways. Most people swap to gen crystal right away.

It does, it's part of the rep, and you pay for it, so it should be important to compare it and see which one is better.

Some members posted pictures of the crystal and it's clear that some factories got it more right than others, and would have been cool to see what factory makes it better in this comparison.

It's not ok to double the cost of a watch by default, after 10 years of replica sub development. It's really a joke to also imply that there is no such thing as BH or HE, and belittling its importance, as if factories mustn't focus and invest on this key aspect.

 

[YellowFin]

Does it really matter though? No factory got the crystal right. You have to buy gen crystal on reps anyways. Most people swap to gen crystal right away.

You actually don't have to buy it "anyway". You have to buy it until a factory gets it right. It wasn't too long ago when insane rep afficionados bought reps just to use the case and get gen parts for everything else. You have to be very romantic to miss this approach...

 

[StreetFighter]

No need anymore.. Just buy VSF..

Gen - v - VSF crystal:

More comparison shots of the two here..

https://forum.replica-watch.info/fo...2-vsf-116610-v-rolex-116610-picture-shoot-out

 

[Yogibear]

It does, it's part of the rep, and you pay for it, so it should be important to compare it and see which one is better.

Some members posted pictures of the crystal and it's clear that some factories got it more right than others, and would have been cool to see what factory makes it better in this comparison.

It's not ok to double the cost of a watch by default, after 10 years of replica sub development. It's really a joke to also imply that there is no such thing as BH or HE, and belittling its importance, as if factories mustn't focus and invest on this key aspect.

It's so easy to replace with gen just like a DW. Why waste your energy about how a 500 usd replica of a 10k watch should be perfect. The case and rehaut you cant go gen so that's the most important in my eyes then build around that. I just dont like dwelling on things. I rather fix it than complain about it.

 

[mari115]

Why waste your energy about how a 500 usd replica of a 10k watch should be perfect

Still missing the point uh, this strawman is absolutely ridiculous. I don't understand if my english is trash or people genuinely can't read. I wouldn't be surprised with either.

It's so easy to replace with gen just like a DW

It's not a matter of easiness, or difficulty, it's a matter of cost, time of development and all the other things that I already said and i won't repeat.

Also, you can't really compare an 80$ DW to a 350$ crystal, the crystal is more than four times the price of the DW, and it will basically double the price of the watch on its own.

The case and rehaut you cant go gen so that's the most important in my eyes then build around that.

I too have some modded Daytonas, but not everyone will spend 2k for a rep in order to put in all genuine pieces. The main tell you see even from far away is the crystal, why not focusing on that? No one would spot a wonky / misaligned rehaut, you'll need a loupe for that, and even then, Rolex makes them misaligned as well, so it's not a tell.

You shouldn't imply that everyone will franken their reps once they get it, we are comparing ootb reps here, and every part of them is important, especially the crystal, since it's one of the most noticeable tells.

If you only care about the case and rehaut then might as well just compare those, the rest is useless since you'll change it with genuine, right?

 

[GrandmasterChime]

Still missing the point uh, this strawman is absolutely ridiculous. I don't understand if my english is trash or people genuinely can't read. I wouldn't be surprised with either.



It's not a matter of easiness, or difficulty, it's a matter of cost, time of development and all the other things that I already said and i won't repeat.

Also, you can't really compare an 80$ DW to a 350$ crystal, the crystal is more than four times the price of the DW, and it will basically double the price of the watch on its own.



I too have some modded Daytonas, but not everyone will spend 2k for a rep in order to put in all genuine pieces. The main tell you see even from far away is the crystal, why not focusing on that? No one would spot a wonky / misaligned rehaut, you'll need a loupe for that, and even then, Rolex makes them misaligned as well, so it's not a tell.

You shouldn't imply that everyone will franken their reps once they get it, we are comparing ootb reps here, and every part of them is important, especially the crystal, since is one of the most noticeable tells.

If you only care about the case and rehaut then might as well just compare those, the rest is useless since you'll change it with genuine, right?

I think you might be missing the point. For 500 you can a. just wear it, accept it's not perfect. B. Franken it c. Go gen. But expecting a 500 dollar rep to get everything right is pure fantasy. I want it perfect but I don't want to pay for it is not an option.

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[Yogibear]

Still missing the point uh, this strawman is absolutely ridiculous. I don't understand if my english is trash or people genuinely can't read. I wouldn't be surprised with either.



It's not a matter of easiness, or difficulty, it's a matter of cost, time of development and all the other things that I already said and i won't repeat.

Also, you can't really compare an 80$ DW to a 350$ crystal, the crystal is more than four times the price of the DW, and it will basically double the price of the watch on its own.

I'm sorry, you are totally correct! I should have expected more out of a 500 usd replica. It's only replicating something over 10k usd....The nerve of me to think I needed gen parts on a replica to give it a more gen like look.
Heck for 500 usd I should expect perfect crystal, SEL, hands, dial, bezel and engravings.

 

[mari115]

But expecting a 500 dollar rep to get everything right is pure fantasy.

Heck for 500 usd I should expect perfect crystal, SEL, hands, dial, bezel and engravings.

It's incredible how you guys are still insisting on that strawman even after I specifically said it was not my point at all. You really got some nerve!

I guess you want to ignore all the rest and focus on something i never said, welp, that's fine, looks like i'm talking to deaf people.

I thought i could explain myself better, looks like there is a communication problem :wave-1:

 

[muiramas]

It does, it's part of the rep, and you pay for it, so it should be important to compare it and see which one is better.

Some members posted pictures of the crystal and it's clear that some factories got it more right than others, and would have been cool to see what factory makes it better in this comparison.

It's not ok to double the cost of a watch by default, after 10 years of replica sub development. It's really a joke to also imply that there is no such thing as BH or HE, and belittling its importance, as if factories mustn't focus and invest on this key aspect.

Dude, literally every other post you put in this section is complaining about the crystal. It's so predictable. Such a broken record.

You have options:

1. VSF
2. Clarks
3. Profs

Not good enough?

4. Gen.

There is no way the factories are ever going to grow a saphire like Rolex can and then put it on a fake watch. At the same price. So you need to drop that fantasy - it's a completely unrealistic expectation.

 

[mari115]

There is no way the factories are ever going to grow a saphire like Rolex can and then put it on a fake watch. At the same price. So you need to drop that fantasy - it's a completely unrealistic expectation.

Again, that's not my point or part of my expectations.

VSF is a great example of good effort. This shows how they can actually improve if they invest in the right areas, and this also shows how some factories have a better crystal than others.

Is it wrong to think that the crystal is more important than the lugs engravings in order to define the "best sub"? I don't understand how we are seriously considering the lugs engravings as a point to define the best sub, since you can't physically see them.

I think it's incredibly superficial to brush aside the crystal, just because "it can be replaced with gen" since you can also replace insert, dial, hands, dw, bracelet,
movement and whatever. This logic is totally flawed.

 

[Yogibear]

I guess you want to ignore all the rest and focus on something i never said, welp, that's fine, looks like i'm talking to deaf people.

"It's not a matter of easiness, or difficulty, it's a matter of cost, time of development and all the other things that I already said and i won't repeat."

"Also, you can't really compare an 80$ DW to a 350$ crystal, the crystal is more than four times the price of the DW, and it will basically double the price of the watch on its own."


Welp^^^...... come on man.

 

[Tobel]

Again, that's not my point or part of my expectations.

VSF is a great example of good effort. This shows how they can actually improve if they invest in the right areas, and this also shows how some factories have a better crystal than others.

Is it wrong to think that the crystal is more important than the lugs engravings in order to define the "best sub"? I don't understand how we are seriously considering the lugs engravings as a point to define the best sub, since you can't physically see them.

I think it's incredibly superficial to brush aside the crystal, just because "it can be replaced with gen" since you can also replace insert, dial, hands, dw, bracelet,
movement and whatever. This logic is totally flawed.

Ok so your point is that it's not because all crystals are flawed that they are equally flawed, and therefore there can be a grade on the crystals.

Other people are saying that unlike the case, including the rehaut engraving, crystal can be changed - and yes hands dials as well.
Both points of view are valid, they're not opposite
​​​​​​now can we stop these back and forths and go back to the main topic?

Thanks

 

[mari115]

"It's not a matter of easiness, or difficulty, it's a matter of cost, time of development and all the other things that I already said and i won't repeat."

"Also, you can't really compare an 80$ DW to a 350$ crystal, the crystal is more than four times the price of the DW, and it will basically double the price of the watch on its own."


Welp^^^...... come on man.

You didn't say / add anything, what do you mean by this? Try to elaborate

 

[Yogibear]

Dude, literally every other post you put in this section is complaining about the crystal. It's so predictable. Such a broken record.

You have options:

1. VSF
2. Clarks
3. Profs

Not good enough?

4. Gen.

There is no way the factories are ever going to grow a saphire like Rolex can and then put it on a fake watch. At the same price. So you need to drop that fantasy - it's a completely unrealistic expectation.

THANK YOU!!!!

 

[mari115]

Ok so your point is that it's not because all crystals are flawed that they are equally flawed, and therefore there can be a grade on the crystals.

Yep, for example ARF's crystal is trash compared to VSF's, but not only that. I think it's pretty retarded to brush aside the crystals since:

1) you pay for it just as much as you pay for the insert, or any other part that you can replace with gen

2) not everyone will want to double the cost of the watch just to put in a gen crystal, and since we are comparing ootb reps we should compare the quality of the crystal as well, to see which factory makes the best crystal, and if it's acceptable

3) the logic "you can replace it with gen" is totally flawed since it works with basically any part of the watch except the case

Both points of view are valid, they're not opposite

Totally agree with this, in the end it's a matter of preferences, but it's a fact that you can see a crystal, while you cannot see the lug engravings, so comparing the lugs engravings in order to define the best sub and not comparing the quality of the cyclops / BH / HE it totally braindead imo

Idk bro this looks more and more like ARF is being covered for still making a trash crystal lmao

 

[Nikz19]

Is this a comparison? If so, could anyone be so kind to explain why we waste time comparing every single stupid 100x zoomed detail on dials, but almost never compare crystals? May people say “well it’s a rep, you can swap xstal for gen”. So what’s the whole point of COMPARISONS?
Can’t you just swap dials for genuine instead of complaining how flawed the printing/color/fonts are?