"Who Has the Best Sub" Blind Rate - Need your help

[Tobel]

Yep, for example ARF's crystal is trash compared to VSF's, but not only that. I think it's pretty retarded to brush aside the crystals since:

1) you pay for it just as much as you pay for the insert, or any other part that you can replace with gen

2) not everyone will want to double the cost of the watch just to put in a gen crystal, and since we are comparing ootb reps we should compare the quality of the crystal as well

3) the logic "you can replace it with gen" is totally flawed since it works with basically any part of the watch except the case



Totally agree with this, in the end it's a matter of preferences, but it's a fact that you can see a crystal, while you cannot see the lug engravings, so comparing the lugs engravings in order to define the best sub and not comparing the quality of the cyclops / BH / HE it totally braindead imo

Idk bro this looks more and more like ARF is being covered for still making a trash crystal lmao

Yes we have now understood your point. You are sensitive to crystals, but reality is that even if it's bigger than the rehaut engraving, most people can't tell the difference between a gen and a rep crystal, and they have no clue about black hole.

So please let's leave it at this, no need to respond to this message, let's please stop arguing

 

[YellowFin]

There is no way the factories are ever going to grow a saphire like Rolex can and then put it on a fake watch. At the same price. So you need to drop that fantasy - it's a completely unrealistic expectation.

Of course it will be an upcharge, but instead of adding bullshit like some magic steel for 100 bucks, go for a better crystal. If a one man show like Prof can do it for $160, the factories should be able to integrate it significantly cheaper at the scale they're operating.

mari115 Agreed on the lug/SEL engraving. Not sure why the factories even bother to waste time and money on this. A watchmaker will se it's a fake without removing the bracelet.

 

[mari115]

Yes we have now understood your point. You are sensitive to crystals, but reality is that even if it's bigger than the rehaut engraving, most people can't tell the difference between a gen and a rep crystal, and they have no clue about black hole.

So please let's leave it at this, no need to respond to this message, let's please stop arguing

I'm sensitive to a fair comparison, the crystal is one of the strong points of the VSF or the ZF, that totally outshines ARF and NOOB's shitty crystals. What if ARF and NOOB have better lug engravings and they get scored above VSF or ZF? no one will know that this advantage is given by something that will never be seen by anyone, since it's hidden behind the bracelet, while the crystal, which is in plain light, will totally be ignored.

Reality is also that most people can't tell the difference between fat lugs or weird cgs, or even rehaut engravings, that's not an argument.

Tells are spotted by someone who knows about reps, and the first thing that one will spot is in fact the crystal, even from meters away. The first thing to be spotted won't surely be the rehaut or the lug engravings LMAO




Changing topic, i thought about something, since many people didn't complete all the surveys, so they voted only for some of the threads, how is the final score going to be counted?

 

[mari115]

Of course it will be an upcharge, but instead of adding bullshit like some magic steel for 100 bucks, go for a better crystal. If a one man show like Prof can do it for $160, the factories should be able to integrate it significantly cheaper at the scale they're operating.

mari115 Agreed on the lug/SEL engraving. Not sure why the factories even bother to waste time and money on this. A watchmaker will se it's a fake without removing the bracelet.

Exactly, the 904l bullshit is all over the place, it's really a big fucking joke. Why does NO ONE care about the exact chemical composition of the insert, but the bracelet is that important? Just wait a couple years and they will charge you 100$ more for an SSS grade insert made with the same chemical composition as gen.

It's just marketing, and as we saw they even scammed us by putting in mixed steel in their watches.

mari115 Agreed on the lug/SEL engraving. Not sure why the factories even bother to waste time and money on this. A watchmaker will se it's a fake without removing the bracelet.

I couldn't care less of lugs engravings, i can't believe it's being taken into consideration to determine the best sub, while the crystal is being ignored lmao.

Imagine having perfect lugs engravings, but a beach rep quality crystal. (i'm looking at you ARF, or should I say Angus Replica Factory? LMAO)

 

[muiramas]

Of course it will be an upcharge, but instead of adding bullshit like some magic steel for 100 bucks, go for a better crystal. If a one man show like Prof can do it for $160, the factories should be able to integrate it significantly cheaper at the scale they're operating.

mari115 Agreed on the lug/SEL engraving. Not sure why the factories even bother to waste time and money on this. A watchmaker will se it's a fake without removing the bracelet.

Well the VSF crystal is almost at parity with Prof I would say. So the only thing needing done is for the other factories to use the same vendor who can then make minor improvements over time. Job done.

I do agree that the crystal is important - you only have to look at the garbage ARF is using right now to see the difference.

I also agree that lug engraving is bullshit. I'd prefer it if they engraved the word 'REPLICA' there instead.

 

[mari115]

I also agree that lug engraving is bullshit. I'd prefer it if they engraved the word 'REPLICA' there instead.

Would be genuinely amusing lmao

 

[YellowFin]

I do agree that the crystal is important - you only have to look at the garbage ARF is using right now to see the difference.

I also agree that lug engraving is bullshit. I'd prefer it if they engraved the word 'REPLICA' there instead.

True story. Love my ARF SD43, but the crystal is a joke and a gen one costs as much as the watch itself.

 

[muiramas]

True story. Love my ARF SD43, but the crystal is a joke and a gen one costs as much as the watch itself.

The worst thing is they almost had it right when they launched it. This is mine.

Now they use trash.

 

[SuperBatman]

is the review out already? can't seem to find it ...

 

[mari115]

is the review out already? can't seem to find it ...

No it's not out yet.

 

[mari115]

This is what i'm talking about, modded ARF with gen crystal next to a stock VSF:
There is no reason not to compare the crystals for the review of these new OOTB reps

Pic taken by the fellow member M_Hall .

I can't believe there are people who think that the crystal is not important in an OOTB rep, if the VSF is this close then there is no reason to mod it, or at least, it's not worth the price proportionally to the other factories' reps.

I can't believe that in this review we are taking into consideration the lugs engravings, in order to determine which is the best sub, but we aren't considering the crystal at all, this is just plain old bs.

What if ARF has better (useless) lug engravings and so it gets a higher score than VSF, only because VSF's amazing crystal isn't being considered?

This is just another of those covers for ARF and Noob, stop thinking about their fame and just use their merit for the review.

Lmao it almost looks as if the "bad elements" of their watches aren't even being considered on purpose.

Yikes.

 

[BOSSK]

This is just another of those covers for ARF and Noob, stop thinking about their fame and just use their merit for the review.

Lmao it almost looks as if the "bad elements" of their watches aren't even being considered on purpose.

Yikes.

Firstly I 100% agree with you. But I think your axe grinding for Angus is getting a little obsessive. Of course he is trying to help out ALL the watches he and others sell. He’s a businessman. I’d do exactly the same and We are all big boys & girls here and I’m pretty sure we all get this. So when it comes to Angus, the community takes much with a grain of salt, whilst also appreciating those insights that are genuinely helpful. We’re not idiots.

You’ve made your point, which I agree with, but to keep making it over and over and over is getting a bit weird.

 

[mari115]

Firstly I 100% agree with you. But I think your axe grinding for Angus is getting a little obsessive. Of course he is trying to help out ALL the watches he and others sell. He’s a businessman. I’d do exactly the same and We are all big boys & girls here and I’m pretty sure we all get this. So when it comes to Angus, the community takes much with a grain of salt, whilst also appreciating those insights that are genuinely helpful. We’re not idiots.

You’ve made your point, which I agree with, but to keep making it over and over and over is getting a bit weird.

I'm not doing it because it's Angus, I would say the same to anyone who tries to brush off the crystal as a "not important" aspect of the reps, even if it's clear that it's fundamental and some factories (like VSF, ZF) make it way better than others (ARF and Noob, their crystal is trash). In fact Puretime is my personal TD.

Sorry if i repeated my point a lot, but if people reply to it by saying "you can't expect genuine quality in a 500$ rep" then it means that they didn't understand crap and i have to say it again ahahaha

 

[antonio220893]

puretime01 Hi is the review available? I look forward to her!

 

[defenestratedbaby]

Still no final report, or did I miss it?

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[SuperBatman]

Still no final report, or did I miss it?

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don't think it's out yet...

hope the review is released soon so that those on the fence can make a decision and place their orders before the major factories close for the long Chinese New Year holidays...
puretime

 

[golfa]

It's now April 2021 and we're still waiting for the results ?

 

[Roguetheory]

It's now April 2021 and we're still waiting for the results ?

No, they were released. Noob won.

 

[golfa]

No, they were released. Noob won.

I think you've also been smoking too much parmesan cheese.

 

[bupeapoop]

Hopefully we see the results sooner rather than later!
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