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Maybe best to combine the VSF bracelet with the ARF clasp then.I think different springbars won’t fix that… a gap means SEL width is a tiny bit shorter than lug width
Amazing that after getting and living with the VSF this still holds true!Same basic watch, same small HEV, same cringe SELs, same wonderful CGs tho, and same wonderful insert.
The lugs feel small and pointy in hand, and the bracelet is no match for the ARF (V3 or 4)
The best possible version would be an ARF V4 with reshaped CG’s and XF/VSF insert. ARF V4 crystal is the best I’ve seen yet, and almost negates the need for Gen.
XF and ARF dials are now both near perfect, proper color, proper finish, proper markers, fonts fixed on all (serif on “1” correct on both now, no more floating “m” either)
Some XF/VSF still have the 3x cyclops, some don’t. Early ARF’s also had this issue.
ARF HEV is the right size on all versions, measured against Gen. XF/VSF hev color is better (darker) but looks wonky cause it’s so small when next to ARF and Gen.
Gen dials are impossible to find, and when found are 2k USD (or damaged) Gen inserts are impossible to find, and when found are priced to the moon or broken. Gen crystals can be found, but are 600+ USD. Gen hands are not needed on either the latest XF/VSF nor the ARF V4.
That’s should help the confusion of what’s best and why.
I did not want it to be, I truly wanted to love the VSF, but fact is the ARF is a better watch.
No, the lugs are too far apart, you’d need wider SELs, and when installing the ARF bracelet (hoping it would fill the gaps) it did not. I’ll measure them to illustrate at some point.
Also, I’m using Everest (100% gen spec) spring bars, the best there are aside from GEN. But that’s got nothing to do with the width of the lug spacing.
Nope, the gap is worse with VSF bracelet, which is why I tried the ARF, and while it’s a tad better, you can still see the spring bars IN THE GAP on the wrist.
Trash. Very disappointed. I truly wanted to like this watch. But its only true strengths are the insert and movement.
The ARF is a better watch.
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Zoom I’m on the red circle: VSF head with ARF bracelet. (So the best of both, in one, on the wrist, light source from above. If light source were in front of my wrist you’d see light THROUGH the gaps. But from above, you see the springbar)
Hello Mike, i need your help about these 3
The first on the left is a XF with gen crystal. i will replace stock crystal and sell it.
In the middle we have the VSF 3235.
On the right we have .... I don't know for sure, but my contact told me that it is an assembly that a friend of his makes, he says he used arf pieces, and the movement is a 3235. For now, I have only seen that the clasp code is that ARF. Could you help me understand what else ARF is? So i can can put VSF and ARF together in the way you recommended earlier. Thank you.
Need a better high res pic bud. But I can tell from this distance the right one is indeed an ARF case, and the left and middle are the XF/VSF cases (lug shapes are a tell)
I need to see the bezel teeth closer and insert pearls.
Just looks like stock XF/VSF/ARF watches from this angle. And I’d be suspicious of the ARF with 3235 claim, open it and see.
Also, I’ll pay you stupid money for that gen crystal. Seriously.
I need to see the bezel teeth closer and insert pearls.
Just looks like stock XF/VSF/ARF watches from this angle. And I’d be suspicious of the ARF with 3235 claim, open it and see.
Also, I’ll pay you stupid money for that gen crystal. Seriously.
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That’s probably the best combination you cooks hope for - ARF watch with the 3235 and a gen crystal
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Yes, i ask first, so thank you, then i can provide to high res pic.
For the crystal, I know, I was very lucky.
Need to do pearl pics.
About insert, i not remember the arf is so light deep engraved and not so platinum. It seems like last ‘generation’ insert.
So if the arf case is confirmed and has the 3235 movement ( cannot says if vr or sa), i think to keep it, not only bracelet. Right?
Oh man, I thought the pics would make it easier, and it’s made me think totally different thoughts, lol.
So while looking at the scallops, I can’t help but notice the angles of the rehaut and crystal edges, AND the mounting screws of the 3235 in the ARF. That looks like a VSF/XF crystal and rehaut, they are def different with the ARF. And I’m not aware of a 3235 in a VSF mounted with no tabs, so I assume that’s a modification which looks more like the mounting of the 3135 in a Gen. in the gen 126600 the 3235 has tabs holding it in. Like the gen Daytona 4130 now also.
This is tough to discern, and honestly I’d need to really hold them to figure this all out.
My best assessment is that other 126600 with 3235 is not ARF, it’s the OG Noob 126600. Send the clasp code, that will prove me right or wrong lol.
So while looking at the scallops, I can’t help but notice the angles of the rehaut and crystal edges, AND the mounting screws of the 3235 in the ARF. That looks like a VSF/XF crystal and rehaut, they are def different with the ARF. And I’m not aware of a 3235 in a VSF mounted with no tabs, so I assume that’s a modification which looks more like the mounting of the 3135 in a Gen. in the gen 126600 the 3235 has tabs holding it in. Like the gen Daytona 4130 now also.
This is tough to discern, and honestly I’d need to really hold them to figure this all out.
My best assessment is that other 126600 with 3235 is not ARF, it’s the OG Noob 126600. Send the clasp code, that will prove me right or wrong lol.
PS: if that watch on the right is a MK1 dial (no crown at 6 between SWISS and MADE) I’d say 100% that’s a Noob V3, and C4R should be the clasp code. I could be wrong, but that’s what the rehaut and crystal is telling me.
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Guess what to do?
I got a XF with 100% GEN spring bars inside but the SELs are still shit.
How do i get the best out of the Reps?
XF Watch combined with ARF bracelet and GEN spring bars?
From what i read now i need to buy ARF and VSF?
Or would be better to use XF head and buy ARF to use the bracelet?
Here more HQ pics as clickpix did not let me because of filesize:
https://www.directupload.net/file/d/6674/b844mlnf_jpg.htm
I do not give a shit about VR Movement just the optic
I got a XF with 100% GEN spring bars inside but the SELs are still shit.
How do i get the best out of the Reps?
XF Watch combined with ARF bracelet and GEN spring bars?
From what i read now i need to buy ARF and VSF?
Or would be better to use XF head and buy ARF to use the bracelet?
Here more HQ pics as clickpix did not let me because of filesize:
I do not give a shit about VR Movement just the optic
if you want to fix the SEL fitment, toss the VSF/XF and just get an ARF V4. If you want the ARF to improve, put the VSF insert on the ARF, and be done.
I’ve tried to come up with the best hybrid, and no matter what the lug width on the XS/VSF is just too wide, and too recessed. I said it a few times in this thread, the SELs are trash but it’s the lugs on the watch that are the problem.
I’m going to turn my VSF back to stock and sell it, the movement is cool, and insert it great, but the ARF V4 is a better watch.
I’ve tried to come up with the best hybrid, and no matter what the lug width on the XS/VSF is just too wide, and too recessed. I said it a few times in this thread, the SELs are trash but it’s the lugs on the watch that are the problem.
I’m going to turn my VSF back to stock and sell it, the movement is cool, and insert it great, but the ARF V4 is a better watch.
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Sorry, not understand, but the pics of movement are of alleged ARF. I not yet opened the VSF.
Then, what about bezel and insert of both?
Really tough to figure out what’s going on with the “ARF with 3235”
When I have a moment I’ll take the time to study the hell out of the pix, and I’ll see what I can find.
I’m going to send you a PM
When I have a moment I’ll take the time to study the hell out of the pix, and I’ll see what I can find.
I’m going to send you a PM