Updated ARF V3 Submariner 116610 is out

[Davy91]

Hi Guys, hope i am not hijacking this thread, since this thread is all about ARF V3 Sub, i would like to know how to tell if you have purchased a genuine ARF V3 Sub? Below are 2 pictures when i first received it. Last 2 pictures are after i changed the strap to a rubber one. My 2 complains.

1) tough buckle adjustment (seem extremely coarse when i am sliding the buckle)

2) there seem to be quite a bit of "lag" when adjusting the time (meaning when you are turning the crown, the needles will take some time before it reacts, hope you can understand what am i trying to say)


Looking forward to any helpful comments. Cheers!

 

[Kalev007]

Hi Guys, hope i am not hijacking this thread, since this thread is all about ARF V3 Sub, i would like to know how to tell if you have purchased a genuine ARF V3 Sub? Below are 2 pictures when i first received it. Last 2 pictures are after i changed the strap to a rubber one. My 2 complains.

1) tough buckle adjustment (seem extremely coarse when i am sliding the buckle)

2) there seem to be quite a bit of "lag" when adjusting the time (meaning when you are turning the crown, the needles will take some time before it reacts, hope you can understand what am i trying to say)


Looking forward to any helpful comments. Cheers!

It’s definitely ARF no doubt about that.

1) Glidelock feels like that in every rep and should be not that smooth on gens as well.

2) Not sure about that you should post a vid to get a better understanding.

 

[Davy91]

It’s definitely ARF no doubt about that.

1) Glidelock feels like that in every rep and should be not that smooth on gens as well.

2) Not sure about that you should post a vid to get a better understanding.

Haven't got a gen sub hence cant tell exactly tell how big the difference is but i do have a gen pelagos and blackbay and i must say in general, winding a gen tudor is way smoother and more responsive. Well not complaining but its my first rep so now i know what to expect in the future, will send it for a simple servicing and see what happens.

Last qn, i have picked a A2824 movement which is essential a clone of ETA, with that being said, is it suppose to wind in an opposite direction as suppose to the same direction on a gen sub?

 

[Kalev007]

Haven't got a gen sub hence cant tell exactly tell how big the difference is but i do have a gen pelagos and blackbay and i must say in general, winding a gen tudor is way smoother and more responsive. Well not complaining but its my first rep so now i know what to expect in the future, will send it for a simple servicing and see what happens.

Last qn, i have picked a A2824 movement which is essential a clone of ETA, with that being said, is it suppose to wind in an opposite direction as suppose to the same direction on a gen sub?

Dont compare the Chinese clone movements with the Swiss ones. They are like they are wobbly and not so smooth. You can always make a direct swap with a gen ETA movement. Its not that expensive but probably no point as ETA clones will run fine for years.

ETA hands move opposite to gen while setting time only 3135 clone works same way as a gen.

 

[Davy91]

Dont compare the Chinese clone movements with the Swiss ones. They are like they are wobbly and not so smooth. You can always make a direct swap with a gen ETA movement. Its not that expensive but probably no point as ETA clones will run fine for years.

ETA hands move opposite to gen while setting time only 3135 clone works same way as a gen.

Right, thanks buddy for your feedback!

Just sharing my personal conclusion as a first time rep owner: the watch itself is PERFECT to look at, no one including your colleague sitting beside you can tell its a fake just by looking at it, i will even confidently let the person hold and feel my watch if being asked, however i will NOT allow that person to make any adjustment to the watch, the operation "smoothness" is just not there.

Nonetheless, if you were to see it from a cost point of view. Its at least 12-15 times cheaper than a gen depending where you are at. Now, will i wear it out for shopping? Definitely. Will i wear it to work? Maybe as long as i know my colleague doesn't own mid-high end swiss watches and he/she will not request to operate the watch. At the end of the day, do i regret buying it? I don't, just need to make sure to wear it at the right time and occasion ^^.

These are only MY PERSONAL thoughts for people that are here and looking for their first high end replica. Cheers!!

 

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Thanks everyone for all your kind reviews .But I really want to know what's the difference between a V2 vs v3 sub arf.There must he some point to point difference between then ?
also , I will be so glad if some of the best TDs are recommended to buy my 1st replica submariner kindly

Lots of thanks in advance seniors

 

[Fab87pz]

Thanks everyone for all your kind reviews .But I really want to know what's the difference between a V2 vs v3 sub arf.There must he some point to point difference between then ?
also , I will be so glad if some of the best TDs are recommended to buy my 1st replica submariner kindly

Lots of thanks in advance seniors

Any td is OK mate. Their are TD for a reason. Go checking TD section on the forum and you will find many info about all of them

 

[Alex22]

I searched a lot in the forum, there is no absolute truth but I seem to have understood / noticed these things: - ARF V3 has the best hands of all, has the reauth almost always centered correctly, has a cyclope close to the gen and, perhaps, in the V3 with Asian movement it has the thinnest date numbers and therefore closest to the gen. It also has a very well made insert and a bracelet very close to gen. its "rival" zzf v2 has many qualities but I don't think it's better because the ceramic insert (which should be its advantage over the arf) some say that it fades after not much. In the ARF it seems that the color remains uniform and does not change over time. Between the two I chose Arf, if I order now I definitely choose Arf. I'm only sorry that there is no no data version of the ARF because I would take that.

 

[Kalev007]

I searched a lot in the forum, there is no absolute truth but I seem to have understood / noticed these things: - ARF V3 has the best hands of all, has the reauth almost always centered correctly, has a cyclope close to the gen and, perhaps, in the V3 with Asian movement it has the thinnest date numbers and therefore closest to the gen. It also has a very well made insert and a bracelet very close to gen. its "rival" zzf v2 has many qualities but I don't think it's better because the ceramic insert (which should be its advantage over the arf) some say that it fades after not much. In the ARF it seems that the color remains uniform and does not change over time. Between the two I chose Arf, if I order now I definitely choose Arf. I'm only sorry that there is no no data version of the ARF because I would take that.

I would go with ZZF. I bought them both to compare and sold the ARF and ordered one more ZZF. Much more gen looking.

ARF is boxy, has ugly SELs (too recessed and kind of crooked - don't follow the case curvature) , crystal sits high, date is bad / misaligned, insert not as good, dial has sharp edged markers and etc you can see its rep from every photo.

 

[Alex22]

I probably haven't seen everything about these two versions but it seems to me that they are both excellent rep. Which is the best perhaps is subjective. I've never heard that ARF is boxy (what do you mean?). What I seemed to understand is this (dividing in defects for the two models). Defects Arf: - glass slightly raised; - the date in some versions too thick (but it seems that with V3 with asian movement there is no such defect) - slightly square rectangular markers (less beautiful than the zzf) Defects Zzf: - round dial markers (less beautiful than the ARF) - less beautiful and less 3d hands replied to Arf - reauth not always as precise as on Arf (not aligned) - less beautiful and less precise bracelet than Arf. - less precise cyclope than Arf If mine is a wrong summary, correct me, if roughly correct, I don't think we can say who is better than the other. both have flaws and both I think it is almost impossible for them to recognize themselves as rep. You should have a gen next to you, have time to compare it, and have a magnifying glass.

 

[Dave O]

Although they are both excellent reps, I went with the ARF V3. For one, I can't stand the crown lugs on the ZZF. Instant giveaway to me. Just look closely at the pics and you too can see the difference. Two, many people say when they get a ZZF you need to "get an ARF bracelet, ARF hands, better crystal etc.". Why not just get it from the start? To me, the ARF bracelet is the best out there and the SEL’s are great (although I prefer my Rubber B band over the bracelet). Three, many people say the bezel feel and action is much better than the ZZF. I don't know what the ZZF feels like, but the ARF is VERY close to my gen in feel and movement – not sharp at all and glides almost exactly like my gen. And don't get me started on the rehault. Double XX? Really? Instant giveaway. The ARF rehault is very good, no XX but still is not nearly as good as the gen under a loop. From the naked eye it is fine.

Bottom line, for whatever reason there is a lot of hype for the ZZF. Don't get me wrong, I'm sure it's a great rep and many people are happy with it. But all the things above steered me to the ARF and I have no regrets. Some people say the case lugs are too fat/boxy on the ARF but I just can't see the difference from the gen - at least not to the naked eye. And to top it all off, it is only running 1 sec/day fast (2824 movement) - better than my gen! It is simply a beautiful watch.

All reps will have flaws. You just need to pick the one that you can live with the most.

In the pics below, the Bluesy is my gen and the Hulk is my ARF V3.

 

[m5smg2]

I’ve never held a ZZF, but I’m so impressed with the ARF gen like details, build quality, and consistent QC. It screams gen in person.

 

[Dave O]

I’ve never held a ZZF, but I’m so impressed with the ARF gen like details, build quality, and consistent QC. It screams gen in person.

I completely agree. Mine looks VERY close to my gen. The only thing I would wish for is a little thinner font on the DW. Some numbers look great, some just a tiny bit large - but this is just nit picking.

 

[up2wind]

I completely agree. Mine looks VERY close to my gen. The only thing I would wish for is a little thinner font on the DW. Some numbers look great, some just a tiny bit large - but this is just nit picking.

Do you mind to show the crown guard comparison for the gen and arf? Tq

 

[Dave O]

Do you mind to show the crown guard comparison for the gen and arf? Tq

Here you go. VERY slight difference under magnification, but much better than the ZZF (Bluesy is gen, Hulk is ARF V3).

 

[m5smg2]

@ Dave O thank you for the crown guard pics. I also don’t see a difference on the lugs with your gen case. Do you see a difference in person? Thanks

 

[Kalev007]

Sorry mates it doesn't scream gen it's rep from a quick glimpse of the pics and I bought both of them to compare IRL.

Gen vs ZZF

 

[Dave O]

@ Dave O thank you for the crown guard pics. I also don’t see a difference on the lugs with your gen case. Do you see a difference in person? Thanks

Very difficult to tell a difference in the lugs. At some angles they look exactly the same. At others they appear that they might be just slightly larger. But if they are larger, it's not obvious.

 

[up2wind]

Here you go. VERY slight difference under magnification, but much better than the ZZF (Bluesy is gen, Hulk is ARF V3).

The shape of the scallops on your v3 bezel looks surprising good! I think i got scammed by someone who sell me the bezel and claims its v3. Now i suspect they are v2. Because the shape aint the same as yours.

 

[up2wind]

Maybe both are v2 bezel.