The VSF Submariners Thread

[replica79]

Thank you all for explanations. Will test waterproofing on the machine. Do you thing 6 atm will pass without silicon grease? The watch is new from TD.

I would be grateful if you let us know something about it

 

[Mark113811]

I would be grateful if you let us know something about it

I'll post details for sure.

 

[jtks]

If you check gens than there actually should be a gap.

Its one easy tell of reps the crown is always fully screwed in against the case which no gen has like that.

Side question, does this apply to GMT Master II? It seems like GMT Master II has the crown fully screwed in on Clean reps. I'm assuming maybe because Submariner has better water resistance so the gasket will create a gap.

 

[Mark113811]

I would like to remove one link on the 6 o'clock side of the Submariner 104060. In the first half link, the screw threads are inside and not visible (marked in blue). All guides say to put a bit of Locklite 222 in the threaded hole, so it would be logical to remove link No. 2 where the tip of the screw is visible, but the top of this link spreads out a bit at the top, so there would be a minimal difference in the width of link No. 1 remaining on the bracelet and link No. 3. Please for advice on which link to remove: No. 2 or No. 1 despite the lack of visibility of the thread tip. If number 1, where to apply Locklite.

 

[BigDatta55]

Absolutely loving my Super Franken 116610 at the moment.

Build is GEN dial, hands, crystal, datewheel, bezel and insert.

I have heard that getting a gen balance bridge, wheel and hairspring makes it a perfect franken? Do yall reckon its worth it? I do see the movement is a bit jittery and would those movement components smooth it out?

 

[SS72]

I have heard that getting a gen balance bridge, wheel and hairspring makes it a perfect franken? Do yall reckon its worth it? I do see the movement is a bit jittery and would those movement components smooth it out?

Lovely watch. Personally, I don't see the point in replacing the balance. A well maintained and regulated 3135 will keep great time.

Therefore, IMO, replacing it with a gen is a) an unnecessary expense, b) means you need particular watchmakers to regulate it, unless you have the tool and ability to do it yourself, and c) money that could be better spent on a gen crown and tube.

 

[Andrew_watchlist]

Lovely watch. Personally, I don't see the point in replacing the balance. A well maintained and regulated 3135 will keep great time.

Therefore, IMO, replacing it with a gen is a) an unnecessary expense, b) means you need particular watchmakers to regulate it, unless you have the tool and ability to do it yourself, and c) money that could be better spent on a gen crown and tube.

Yeah, I would not fancy having a go with those balence weights. They are microscopic.

 

[BigDatta55]

Lovely watch. Personally, I don't see the point in replacing the balance. A well maintained and regulated 3135 will keep great time.

Therefore, IMO, replacing it with a gen is a) an unnecessary expense, b) means you need particular watchmakers to regulate it, unless you have the tool and ability to do it yourself, and c) money that could be better spent on a gen crown and tube.

Nah, the crow is so close to gen i did not think it was a worthy expense at all. I think maybe a service and putting in gen winding components would make it feel complete!

 

[Andrew_watchlist]

Did you received a fully screwed-down crown photo? I just received my VSF 124060 watch from Steve and sadly there is a gap 0,5-0,7 mm. I can not fully screw-down. I think it's a new batch VSF flaw. I saw many QC photos in 1 month period and all have this flaw. One example more one less bus is far away from batches 3-5 months ago. Clean has no gap. I think they made length of stem for 3235 movement and mounted it in previous version with "phantom date" position. Now they used the same for updated movement and it is too long a little. Can any watch smith say something in this subject please? Can we fix this flaw?

That's what she said.

 

[TheBigJS]

If you check gens than there actually should be a gap.

Its one easy tell of reps the crown is always fully screwed in against the case which no gen has like that.

Worst tell ever



Gen Starbucks.

 

[Karabas5]

Question:
which model you cannot identify on the whrist?
I know you guys cannot identify Explorer and Sub-No Date 41 mm VSF.
what is the next model in the list which has close to zero flaws or just easy to replicate?

 

[SS72]

Question:
which model you cannot identify on the whrist?
I know you guys cannot identify Explorer and Sub-No Date 41 mm VSF.
what is the next model in the list which has close to zero flaws or just easy to replicate?

Excellent question! I can't help, but others will be along shortly.

 

[Poglavnik]

Question:
which model you cannot identify on the whrist?
I know you guys cannot identify Explorer and Sub-No Date 41 mm VSF.
what is the next model in the list which has close to zero flaws or just easy to replicate?

Probably an OP from VSF or CF

 

[themaxx25]

Question:
which model you cannot identify on the whrist?
I know you guys cannot identify Explorer and Sub-No Date 41 mm VSF.
what is the next model in the list which has close to zero flaws or just easy to replicate?

Do a search for NWBIG

 

[Andrew_watchlist]

Do a search for NWBIG

that will help a bit, but also comes with an 'opinion' bias to the results.

e.g. i have two 126610 one from clean and one from vsf, both look pretty good, the SEL interface on the clean is tight and the curved shapes are matched, looks like gen to my lyin' eyes.

dials are the same imo. the hands look slightly better on the vsf, the movement is also more accurate, however the winding feels gritty on the VFS, and a lot smoother on the clean, so which is more important to you? I know the next guy reading this will disagree as he has a different criterion to me. and i still know nothing about gen.

 

[jtks]

Question:
which model you cannot identify on the whrist?
I know you guys cannot identify Explorer and Sub-No Date 41 mm VSF.
what is the next model in the list which has close to zero flaws or just easy to replicate?

Explorer is easy to tell a rep from gen because of the lug.
The only model that I find it difficult to tell is VSF Submariner No date 114060

 

[Karabas5]

so there is following info
1) the hardest to tell VSF Submariner No date 114060
2) another hardest to tell VSF OP ( I guess any color )
3) @Andrew_watchlist from what you said: visually Clean is closer to Gen, and VSF is better in only 1 visual element: hands. Right ? Can you identify Clean from Gen on whrist?

guys, how about crystal, is it a big away immediatelly on any model both clean and vsf?

 

[SS72]

DYOR using the wealth of information members have put a lot of time and effort into, and make your own choices, or buy gen. Seriously dude!

 

[jtks]

so there is following info
1) the hardest to tell VSF Submariner No date 114060
2) another hardest to tell VSF OP ( I guess any color )
3) @Andrew_watchlist from what you said: visually Clean is closer to Gen, and VSF is better in only 1 visual element: hands. Right ? Can you identify Clean from Gen on whrist?

guys, how about crystal, is it a big away immediatelly on any model both clean and vsf?

VSF OP is an easy tell just like their datejust.

Everything that you asked has been discussed before. Ask Serge Barr.

 

[Karabas5]

so which model is not an easy tell? VSF Sub no date 40mm 114060 ?