The Vintage DateJust Thread

[freebalkany]

Does a 3135 fit in Raffles 2824 case without needing to adjust the crown tube?
I thought 2824 and 3135 have different crown stem heights

VS3135 & ETA2824 have the same stem height: 1.8mm

 

[johnchpark]

VS3135 & ETA2824 have the same stem height: 1.8mm

Thanks for answering all my questions!

Doing a no-date 36mm airking build on a raffles case.
Ordered Deep Crystal for a Daytona
2.3mm crystal gaskets
Athaya 6mm crown (ordered M3 x 0.35mm because a 0.3mm couldnt be found).

Gonna give a 3135 x gen dial datejust next after this project.
Thanks for all the helpful hints from everyone

 

[PositiveAttitude]

Another Datejust for y'all:
-gen dial
-gen white gold bezel
-gen folded jubilee
-raffle case modified to accept vs3135 inside
-clark crystal and hands
-raffle crown

What do you think the next upgrade would be?
I was thinking about the crown, is the gen worthy? Or maybe athaya?

 

[johnchpark]

is there anyway to tell if this is a gen 3135 date wheel?
It seems likely since the guy is selling with gen linen dial and DJ hands, but just wanted to check.

He said he swapped out his old 16234 linen DJ dial/hands for a Modern look, but not sure why the date disc would be swapped

 

[1016_idiot_savant]

Another Datejust for y'all:
-gen dial
-gen white gold bezel
-gen folded jubilee
-raffle case modified to accept vs3135 inside
-clark crystal and hands
-raffle crown

What do you think the next upgrade would be?
I was thinking about the crown, is the gen worthy? Or maybe athaya?

I find the Athaya crown and tube to be an essential upgrade, certainly worth the investment.

 

[johnchpark]

I recently ordered a new Raffles case, and was surprised to find it is quite different than the ones i have ordered in the past.

I ordered many before (Raffles Acrylic 1016 cases, which should be the same as any other of his 2824 cases) but they all had thick lugs that had to be extensively reshaped.

This time, i ordered a fluted bezel case from Raffles, but the lugs, side profile, and crown were significantly better, almost to the point of not needing reshaping at all.
Unfortunately, these are stamped “OG Profy” and “114270”.

Raffles claims they are the same, but different factories (?)

I’ll sand out the stampings, but it might be ok without any further reshaping.

(1016 in images are my previous reshaped cases)

 

[Rolexmike69]

I’ve been reading through these threads and if I miss something I apologize. Thank you for all who have contributed.
I understand if I want to use the raffle datejust case with the 3135 movement And raffles dial, you can do that, but you need to change the crystal, correct?

Doing the same thing above, can you use a genuine date just dial without adjusting anything in the case? I’m asking since in my experience, the dials are 27.8 mm.
Any help on this would be greatly appreciated.

 

[1016_idiot_savant]

I’ve been reading through these threads and if I miss something I apologize. Thank you for all who have contributed.
I understand if I want to use the raffle datejust case with the 3135 movement And raffles dial, you can do that, but you need to change the crystal, correct?

Doing the same thing above, can you use a genuine date just dial without adjusting anything in the case? I’m asking since in my experience, the dials are 27.8 mm.
Any help on this would be greatly appreciated.

Correct - if you use the 3135 movement, you will need a different crystal as the cyclops on the Raffles crystal is positioned for the ETA dials, which have the date window in a different position.

Yes, I used a Gen dial in the Raffles 2824 case with no issues - as long as the dial is firmly attached to the movement.

 

[vintagepassioneurope]

 

[Paglia Orba]

My Franken

 

[Rolexmike69]

Correct - if you use the 3135 movement, you will need a different crystal as the cyclops on the Raffles crystal is positioned for the ETA dials, which have the date window in a different position.

Yes, I used a Gen dial in the Raffles 2824 case with no issues - as long as the dial is firmly attached to the

Correct - if you use the 3135 movement, you will need a different crystal as the cyclops on the Raffles crystal is positioned for the ETA dials, which have the date window in a different position.

Yes, I used a Gen dial in the Raffles 2824 case with no issues - as long as the dial is firmly attached to the movement.

Thank you!
If you use the raffles dial that you need to glue DWO to, but use a 3135 movement, (vs3135) the date wheel should line up correctly?!?

 

[Replicated]

Thank you!
If you use the raffles dial that you need to glue DWO to, but use a 3135 movement, (vs3135) the date wheel should line up correctly?!?

Why not get a genuine dial? Less of a headache.

 

[Rolexmike69]

I’ve been reading through these threads and if I miss something I apologize.
I understand if I want to use the raffle date just

Why not get a genuine dial? Less of a headache.

You’re right! Thank you.

 

[johnchpark]

Really sorry to be asking so many questions,
But could someone help me figure out if this is the old 5-digit style of hands, not the 6 digit?
Seller didn't specify, but from the pictures it looks like old 5-digit

Thanks!

 

[Rolexmike69]

I’ve been reading through these threads and if I miss something I apologize.
I understand if I want to use the raffle date just

Why not get a genuine dial? Less of a headache.

Yes I see you’re point

 

[GenuineFool]

Has anyone completed a build using a gen 4-digit dial with a Raffles case/parts?

@1016_idiot_savant mentioned a few posts back that the crystal needs to be different for a 4-digit DJ vs. 5-digit due to the position of the cyclops, but based on these drawings it might be the size and shape of the crystal instead of date window position?



I'm asking because I'd like to try a Raffles build with a 4-digit gen dial, but only if it doesn't require a machine shop to do so. I could live with "the wrong crystal" (25-135) on a Raffles 16xxx case if an NH35 + DWO or a VS3135 would work with the dial.

 

[qjai89]

I recently ordered a new Raffles case, and was surprised to find it is quite different than the ones i have ordered in the past.

I ordered many before (Raffles Acrylic 1016 cases, which should be the same as any other of his 2824 cases) but they all had thick lugs that had to be extensively reshaped.

This time, i ordered a fluted bezel case from Raffles, but the lugs, side profile, and crown were significantly better, almost to the point of not needing reshaping at all.
Unfortunately, these are stamped “OG Profy” and “114270”.

Raffles claims they are the same, but different factories (?)

I’ll sand out the stampings, but it might be ok without any further reshaping.

(1016 in images are my previous reshaped cases)

I felt like I noticed the same thing. The 2834 cases are the same fluted vs smooth plus acrylic but my 2836 case had slimmer lugs. I'll post a pic when I get a chance. Bought all 3 in the past 2 years.

 

[qjai89]

I felt like I noticed the same thing. The 2834 cases are the same fluted vs smooth plus acrylic but my 2836 case had slimmer lugs. I'll post a pic when I get a chance. Bought all 3 in the past 2 years.

Correction 2824 case vs 2836. Also noted the 2836 case has a smaller more true to shape crown than the 2824 cases.

 

[qjai89]

2824 case 1016 build vs 2836 case dj 16234 build




All raffles parts for both. The crown is slightly smaller and more taper on the inner side on the dj build

 

[johnchpark]

The Raffles case is reasonably accurate for 5-digit DateJusts, so I chose not to reshape the case for my 16030 Franken build. Instead, I drilled out the lugs to accept gen-spec 2mm shoulderless spring bars (cousins #S52544), using a cheap hand drill and Ø1.3mm bit (cousins #D49923) I McGyvered into a drill press:



I also replaced the Raffles crown and tube with an Athaya 24-600 by drilling (Ø2,8mm) and tapping (Ø3.00 x 0.35) the tube hole:



The Athaya 24-600 crown takes about 6 winds to close, compared to the Raffles, which takes about 3 winds and generally feels more robust while optically looking more correct. Also, the Athaya crown is more grippy:



And that's pretty much all that was needed...

Quick question;
Did your gen dial fit the Raffles case?

I realized gen dials are all 27.8mm and Raffle's OG POFY DESN 1142470 cases are 28.5mm