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The SH4131 Daytonas - Long-term reliability test

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Guys, I will do the final report on this when I can, life is very busy right now on top of the holiday season so I don't have the time. Suffice to say for now, it's bullet proof compared to the old 7750. You noobs are spoilt.
 

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Hi all, The DD4130 movement in my clean Daytona won't wind automatically. When I wind it by hand, everything works as it should.

Does anyone know of this problem? Maybe the automatic module isn't working?

Thanks in advance
Probably the wrong thread for this question, but yes, it's most likely the automatic works that is having an issue. It's possible (likely) that either oil or dirt has fouled the red reversing (ratchet) wheels. As part of a service these wheels (and the ratchets that go inside them, plus all the parts of the automatic works if you're like me and a little paranoid) get treated with epilame. Epilame is a surface treatment (dip) for parts that means that oil will not spread (it will bead up like water does on a freshly waxed car). Epilame is expensive and so it's unlikely that the factories in China assembling these movements after they've been engraved bother with this treatment. As such it's possible that over time oil will spread out from the pivots of the reversing wheels to the ratchet rockers. If oil gets to the ratchet rockers then it will make them stick and prevent them from working correctly. This is cause the automatic module to no longer wind the mainspring.

I would suggest getting your movement serviced. If you want to do the minimum, just service the automatic works. You can do this yourself if you're reasonably mechanically inclined. Or get a local watch shop to do it. If the rest of the watch is working well you might be able to get away with not servicing the whole movement. But keep in mind, a mechanical watch movement needs service every 5-10 years (5 years if it's worn often or on a winder, 10 years if it's a drawer queen).
 

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Guys, I will do the final report on this when I can, life is very busy right now on top of the holiday season so I don't have the time. Suffice to say for now, it's bullet proof compared to the old 7750. You noobs are spoilt.
Happy to join this hobby when chronos wouldn't grenade themselves every time you hit reset.
 

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Probably the wrong thread for this question, but yes, it's most likely the automatic works that is having an issue. It's possible (likely) that either oil or dirt has fouled the red reversing (ratchet) wheels. As part of a service these wheels (and the ratchets that go inside them, plus all the parts of the automatic works if you're like me and a little paranoid) get treated with epilame. Epilame is a surface treatment (dip) for parts that means that oil will not spread (it will bead up like water does on a freshly waxed car). Epilame is expensive and so it's unlikely that the factories in China assembling these movements after they've been engraved bother with this treatment. As such it's possible that over time oil will spread out from the pivots of the reversing wheels to the ratchet rockers. If oil gets to the ratchet rockers then it will make them stick and prevent them from working correctly. This is cause the automatic module to no longer wind the mainspring.

I would suggest getting your movement serviced. If you want to do the minimum, just service the automatic works. You can do this yourself if you're reasonably mechanically inclined. Or get a local watch shop to do it. If the rest of the watch is working well you might be able to get away with not servicing the whole movement. But keep in mind, a mechanical watch movement needs service every 5-10 years (5 years if it's worn often or on a winder, 10 years if it's a drawer queen).
Thank you very much for your detailed reply, this information is very helpful! I will have the clockwork serviced! Have a nice Sunday!
 

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Definitely subbed. You’re right about the noobs being spoiled. The last 5 years of movement development have been awesome.
 

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Do you guys experience sticky feeling when you wind the movement? I have seen another report on reptime about this. I'm also experiencing the same "stickiness". The movement probably need to be serviced.
 

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Guys, I will do the final report on this when I can, life is very busy right now on top of the holiday season so I don't have the time. Suffice to say for now, it's bullet proof compared to the old 7750. You noobs are spoilt.

Hey Boss, Any chance we will get some additional feedback from you on how your expirience was with this particular watch / movement?
 
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I think by now we are safe to say the SH4131 movement is pretty damn reliable. It may be slightly inferior to the DD4131 but I think the SH4131 is a very very good option as well.

If there was widespread issues I'm sure we'd know or hear about it now. There are tens of 1000s of these out in the wild now.
 
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I think by now we are safe to say the SH4131 movement is pretty damn reliable. It may be slightly inferior to the DD4131 but I think the SH4131 is a very very good option as well.

If there was widespread issues I'm sure we'd know or hear about it now. There are tens of 1000s of these out in the wild now.
Yeah I agree 100%. Mine has been flawless for about six months. Super nice hand winding, silent rotor. I have the new 4132 version with 24 hour subdial from QF. Highly recommended.
 
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I'm disappointed that @trailboss99 didn't post some on and off wrist shots of the GMT being put through its paces. And I can only imagine what the current Daytona has endured. Compared to my boring writsties with coffee and manicured green grass in the background...