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The SH4131 Daytonas - Long-term reliability test

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Guys, I will do the final report on this when I can, life is very busy right now on top of the holiday season so I don't have the time. Suffice to say for now, it's bullet proof compared to the old 7750. You noobs are spoilt.
 

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Hi all, The DD4130 movement in my clean Daytona won't wind automatically. When I wind it by hand, everything works as it should.

Does anyone know of this problem? Maybe the automatic module isn't working?

Thanks in advance
Probably the wrong thread for this question, but yes, it's most likely the automatic works that is having an issue. It's possible (likely) that either oil or dirt has fouled the red reversing (ratchet) wheels. As part of a service these wheels (and the ratchets that go inside them, plus all the parts of the automatic works if you're like me and a little paranoid) get treated with epilame. Epilame is a surface treatment (dip) for parts that means that oil will not spread (it will bead up like water does on a freshly waxed car). Epilame is expensive and so it's unlikely that the factories in China assembling these movements after they've been engraved bother with this treatment. As such it's possible that over time oil will spread out from the pivots of the reversing wheels to the ratchet rockers. If oil gets to the ratchet rockers then it will make them stick and prevent them from working correctly. This is cause the automatic module to no longer wind the mainspring.

I would suggest getting your movement serviced. If you want to do the minimum, just service the automatic works. You can do this yourself if you're reasonably mechanically inclined. Or get a local watch shop to do it. If the rest of the watch is working well you might be able to get away with not servicing the whole movement. But keep in mind, a mechanical watch movement needs service every 5-10 years (5 years if it's worn often or on a winder, 10 years if it's a drawer queen).
 
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Guys, I will do the final report on this when I can, life is very busy right now on top of the holiday season so I don't have the time. Suffice to say for now, it's bullet proof compared to the old 7750. You noobs are spoilt.
Happy to join this hobby when chronos wouldn't grenade themselves every time you hit reset.
 

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Probably the wrong thread for this question, but yes, it's most likely the automatic works that is having an issue. It's possible (likely) that either oil or dirt has fouled the red reversing (ratchet) wheels. As part of a service these wheels (and the ratchets that go inside them, plus all the parts of the automatic works if you're like me and a little paranoid) get treated with epilame. Epilame is a surface treatment (dip) for parts that means that oil will not spread (it will bead up like water does on a freshly waxed car). Epilame is expensive and so it's unlikely that the factories in China assembling these movements after they've been engraved bother with this treatment. As such it's possible that over time oil will spread out from the pivots of the reversing wheels to the ratchet rockers. If oil gets to the ratchet rockers then it will make them stick and prevent them from working correctly. This is cause the automatic module to no longer wind the mainspring.

I would suggest getting your movement serviced. If you want to do the minimum, just service the automatic works. You can do this yourself if you're reasonably mechanically inclined. Or get a local watch shop to do it. If the rest of the watch is working well you might be able to get away with not servicing the whole movement. But keep in mind, a mechanical watch movement needs service every 5-10 years (5 years if it's worn often or on a winder, 10 years if it's a drawer queen).
Thank you very much for your detailed reply, this information is very helpful! I will have the clockwork serviced! Have a nice Sunday!
 

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Definitely subbed. You’re right about the noobs being spoiled. The last 5 years of movement development have been awesome.
 

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Do you guys experience sticky feeling when you wind the movement? I have seen another report on reptime about this. I'm also experiencing the same "stickiness". The movement probably need to be serviced.