The Battle Has Already Begun

[mari115]

Last Saturday I viewed the genuine new Subs at my AD(sorry no pics, he wouldn’t let me!!!)
Case is way better in profile now and feels the same size in hand.
Dial and bezel fractionally bigger.
Crystal now sits around 1mm higher than insert.
Green is exactly the same as hulk but looks different set against the black dial.
Cyclops still has same ar but is clear and no blue tint as some recent gens.
Biggest difference in feel is the bracelet. It looks bigger than 1mm and feels more solid to me. Recess is fractional now and the no date I viewed had practically flush sels compared to Cermit.
Not sure if I like the shorter crown guards, makes the crown look bigger.
Longer hands are better and the overall watch is a big improvement to me.
High up the list so hopefully I’ll have one in hand soon albeit to sell on quickly!!

For me the no date is the nicest looker and the most balanced visually.

I see, so the black hole effect is still there...

Let’s hope that they can replicate it with these new batches


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[SHB]

Random question, does the new rolex 2020 cards are avaliable at TDs?

I've seen a local seller who's selling theses and he posted a video of one of his employee reproducing theses new cards.

 

[kk169]

Last Saturday I viewed the genuine new Subs at my AD(sorry no pics, he wouldn’t let me!!!)
Case is way better in profile now and feels the same size in hand.
Dial and bezel fractionally bigger.
Crystal now sits around 1mm higher than insert.
Green is exactly the same as hulk but looks different set against the black dial.
Cyclops still has same ar but is clear and no blue tint as some recent gens.
Biggest difference in feel is the bracelet. It looks bigger than 1mm and feels more solid to me. Recess is fractional now and the no date I viewed had practically flush sels compared to Cermit.
Not sure if I like the shorter crown guards, makes the crown look bigger.
Longer hands are better and the overall watch is a big improvement to me.
High up the list so hopefully I’ll have one in hand soon albeit to sell on quickly!!

For me the no date is the nicest looker and the most balanced visually.

Did you get a chance to look at the blue one? I'm not that into HULK/Cremit as I'm more a blue than green person... Cheers!

 

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[Karlus]

Regarding the cyclops, the Cermit has either no ar coating or colorless ar coating.




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The Cermit dial print looks inferior too. The Hulk looks crisp

 

[botsyboy]

Did you get a chance to look at the blue one? I'm not that into HULK/Cremit as I'm more a blue than green person... Cheers!

I saw it but didn’t handle it as I’m not interested in the gold model.

 

[kk169]

I saw it but didn’t handle it as I’m not interested in the gold model.

thanks... too bad it's only available in white gold! Probably not a realistic rep option

 

[botsyboy]

thanks... too bad it's only available in white gold! Probably not a realistic rep option

It looked nice I guess but blue and black just don’t go together in my book! Haha


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[kennygconspiracy]

SONY A7 Mirrorless. Nice.

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[puretime]

I see, so the black hole effect is still there...

Let’s hope that they can replicate it with these new batches


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I don’t see the point struggling with the black hole effect because I tried many angles and I could not demonstrate the black hole effect with the 2 gens with me, so I think it only happens in certain lighting conditions.


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[SHB]

SONY A7 Mirrorless. Nice.

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Expert busted

 

[Grfranco]

I don’t see the point struggling with the black hole effect because I tried many angles and I could not demonstrate the black hole effect with the 2 gens with me, so I think it only happens in certain lighting conditions.


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Lighting definitely affects the “black hole” appearance as well as the dial color. Darker dials demonstrate this better

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[muiramas]

Discussion on TRF that new models have AR...

 

[mari115]

I don’t see the point struggling with the black hole effect because I tried many angles and I could not demonstrate the black hole effect with the 2 gens with me, so I think it only happens in certain lighting conditions.


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I'm sorry, but anyone who has gens on hand or has seen many gens would disagree, struggling with the black hole effect is a HUGE point, it's the FIRST tell that differentiates a 50$ beach replica from any gen (or from a good rep,at least it should).
The only choice at the moment is either going for a prof crystal (but it's still not that good since the AR coating is not the same as genuine) or a genuine one, but that sets you back 350$, basically another full rep worth of glass, which is absurd.

I've seen a couple pics of the new RXF sub, and the crystal there seems good, but i don't want to say anything until i see more pics of it next to a gen one.

This is what i'm talking about:

Gen Halo effect and marked difference in color for the black hole:

Noob v9 NO halo effect and basically same color as the rest of the crystal:

Arf 116710 vs gen 116710, you can kinda see some black hole effect in both, even if it's way stronger in the gen one, but as you can see there is NO halo effect in the rep 116710 from ARF:

This is a gen, under soft warm light of a normal home you can clearly see the halo effect and the black hole, basically no reps have gotten both of these effects right, in like 10 years of replica making.
It really is a big deal, a huge point, and their budget MUST be focused on this HUGE visual tell, NO ONE is gonna realize that the lugs of your 116610 are too fat, but EVERYONE is gonna realize, even from far away, that there is something weird going on with that crystal:

 

[mari115]

I don’t see the point struggling with the black hole effect because I tried many angles and I could not demonstrate the black hole effect with the 2 gens with me, so I think it only happens in certain lighting conditions.


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And by the way, you can easily recreate the "lighting condition" for the black hole just by stepping out of direct sunlight or artificial light, in a studio or in a shop you won't notice it because of the multitude of reflectors/spotlights, but outside you'll see the black hole anywhere that isn't under direct light, or even inside under warm-soft-dim light.

 

[mari115]

So yeah, a good black hole crystal (and halo effect) is something the rep factories MUST struggle with, they took 10 years, i think it's more than enough, don't you agree?

RXF made what seems to be the best black hole crystal yet, but i'd like to see some picture in the same lightning conditions as a gen, just to be sure

 

[Grfranco]

If crystals could look like this on a rep, it’s a game changer imo

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[mari115]

If crystals could look like this on a rep, it’s a game changer imo


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And it's not even the most visually noticeable example available, but yes, i agree, if they want to step up their game they MUST do something about the crappy crystals.

It's not like they aren't gonna step up their prices, it's obvious that they are trying to reach the 1000$ price point. But it's gonna be quite retarded to try and reach it before releasing a good crystal.

You can basically get a genlike 116610 LN just by getting a ZZF v2 and exchanging the crystal with a gen one, for 700$, So why should you pay 1k in 2023 for a replica with a shitty crystal?

 

[Cadows]

SONY A7 Mirrorless. Nice.

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III* Guess the lens expert

 

[Ruski91]

I'm sorry, but anyone who has gens on hand or has seen many gens would disagree, struggling with the black hole effect is a HUGE point, it's the FIRST tell that differentiates a 50$ beach replica from any gen (or from a good rep,at least it should).
The only choice at the moment is either going for a prof crystal (but it's still not that good since the AR coating is not the same as genuine) or a genuine one, but that sets you back 350$, basically another full rep worth of glass, which is absurd.

I've seen a couple pics of the new RXF sub, and the crystal there seems good, but i don't want to say anything until i see more pics of it next to a gen one.

This is what i'm talking about:

Gen Halo effect and marked difference in color for the black hole:

Noob v9 NO halo effect and basically same color as the rest of the crystal:

Arf 116710 vs gen 116710, you can kinda see some black hole effect in both, even if it's way stronger in the gen one, but as you can see there is NO halo effect in the rep 116710 from ARF:

This is a gen, under soft warm light of a normal home you can clearly see the halo effect and the black hole, basically no reps have gotten both of these effects right, in like 10 years of replica making.
It really is a big deal, a huge point, and their budget MUST be focused on this HUGE visual tell, NO ONE is gonna realize that the lugs of your 116610 are too fat, but EVERYONE is gonna realize, even from far away, that there is something weird going on with that crystal:

Thank you so much for that. Great examples. Exactly why i brought up the subject. For me its a much bigger giveaway than lug width or crown guard width or many of the other things that have been tinkered with for years. Hell i think its more important than the steel debate 316 vs 904 or whatever the numbers are.