The Battle Has Already Begun

[mari115]

Thank you so much for that. Great examples. Exactly why i brought up the subject. For me its a much bigger giveaway than lug width or crown guard width or many of the other things that have been tinkered with for years. Hell i think its more important than the steel debate 316 vs 904 or whatever the numbers are.

Yeah, it's the biggest visual tell of any rep with a cyclops (except you, like my sign says lmao). You can't ignore it. It's a fact that it's the biggest and most noticeable tell that we currently have.

The bezel insert is as good as it can get thanks to CF factory, the case shape and crownguards are basically unnoticeable unless you compare it side by side with a gen, same with metal type, 904 vs 316 (it's just a pretext to charge you 100$ more for something that costs them 3$ more).

The only real and actual tell we have left is the crystal, if they leave everything as it is and upgrade to a genlike crystal they would improve SO MUCH.

 

[Grfranco]

Yeah, it's the biggest visual tell of any rep with a cyclops (except you, like my sign says lmao). You can't ignore it. It's a fact that it's the biggest and most noticeable tell that we currently have.

The bezel insert is as good as it can get thanks to CF factory, the case shape and crownguards are basically unnoticeable unless you compare it side by side with a gen, same with metal type, 904 vs 316 (it's just a pretext to charge you 100$ more for something that costs them 3$ more).

The only real and actual tell we have left is the crystal, if they leave everything as it is and upgrade to a genlike crystal they would improve SO MUCH.

I couldn’t agree with you more!


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[mari115]

I'd like to hear what puretime thinks about it, even after their meeting with ARF, and if they told them something about their future plans about upgrades (hopefully for the crystals)

 

[Ruski91]

I was talking with some friends about this that i met on the forum. We came to the conclusion that it might be too costly for them to make the crystals with the proper AR for the cyclops (Dont want to say on the cyclops, because thats not how its done). But i mean if they are doing them in bulk, i can not imagine it would cost them more than 30-40 dollars a pop extra and i am sure they could upcharge us way more then that and make a profit. I dont know ...

 

[mari115]

I was talking with some friends about this that i met on the forum. We came to the conclusion that it might be too costly for them to make the crystals with the proper AR for the cyclops (Dont want to say on the cyclops, because thats not how its done). But i mean if they are doing them in bulk, i can not imagine it would cost them more than 30-40 dollars a pop extra and i am sure they could upcharge us way more then that and make a profit. I dont know ...

RXF could have managed to do it, or at least they managed to get WAY closer than the big factories like noob or ARF, so I think that the Big ones have no excuses other than being lazy or wanting to ride the wave of their success with some of their pieces.


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[m5smg2]

The SEL recess on the Sub41 is like the EXP42 and SD43. Both models set the stage for new slim lugs case on the 2020 Sub 41mm

 

[m5smg2]

Which one do you prefer?

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Making us choose one is cruel and unusual punishment where I’m from lol.

Must have both Hulk and Cermit. Oh yea, and a Kermit, naturally.

 

[Sdc83]

Yeah, it's the biggest visual tell of any rep with a cyclops (except you, like my sign says lmao). You can't ignore it. It's a fact that it's the biggest and most noticeable tell that we currently have.

The bezel insert is as good as it can get thanks to CF factory, the case shape and crownguards are basically unnoticeable unless you compare it side by side with a gen, same with metal type, 904 vs 316 (it's just a pretext to charge you 100$ more for something that costs them 3$ more).

The only real and actual tell we have left is the crystal, if they leave everything as it is and upgrade to a genlike crystal they would improve SO MUCH.

I totally agree with you. but i think no factory is currently doing anything to have a good black hole effect, except Vsf (Rxf). the reason is very simple: the various factories sell thousands and thousands of subs even without this improvement to the Crystal. but, there is a "but", the excellent work done by Vsf on crystal combined with the very competitive price will soon take away a large slice of the market from the other factories (Arf, Noob, ZZF in primis). v.1 116610 of RXF costs 388 dollars and uaooooo, I think that with v.2 there will be no more competition. I will buy an Rxf only for the clearly best crystal of all!

and this is what factories must understand and what Angus should tell ARF: whoever puts the best crystal with the best black hole effect will win the battle.

puretime stop ignoring the problem and tell Arf to put a good black hole effect on the crystals; ten years have passed and nothing has been done to resolve the problem. now the time is up and Vsf has started this challenge very well.

 

[Cadows]

I totally agree with you. but i think no factory is currently doing anything to have a good black hole effect, except Vsf (Rxf). the reason is very simple: the various factories sell thousands and thousands of subs even without this improvement to the Crystal. but, there is a "but", the excellent work done by Vsf on crystal combined with the very competitive price will soon take away a large slice of the market from the other factories (Arf, Noob, ZZF in primis). v.1 116610 of RXF costs 388 dollars and uaooooo, I think that with v.2 there will be no more competition. I will buy an Rxf only for the clearly best crystal of all!

and this is what factories must understand and what Angus should tell ARF: whoever puts the best crystal with the best black hole effect will win the battle.

puretime stop ignoring the problem and tell Arf to put a good black hole effect on the crystals; ten years have passed and nothing has been done to resolve the problem. now the time is up and Vsf has started this challenge very well.

You love crystals dont you lol

 

[mari115]

I totally agree with you. but i think no factory is currently doing anything to have a good black hole effect, except Vsf (Rxf). the reason is very simple: the various factories sell thousands and thousands of subs even without this improvement to the Crystal. but, there is a "but", the excellent work done by Vsf on crystal combined with the very competitive price will soon take away a large slice of the market from the other factories (Arf, Noob, ZZF in primis). v.1 116610 of RXF costs 388 dollars and uaooooo, I think that with v.2 there will be no more competition. I will buy an Rxf only for the clearly best crystal of all!

and this is what factories must understand and what Angus should tell ARF: whoever puts the best crystal with the best black hole effect will win the battle.

puretime stop ignoring the problem and tell Arf to put a good black hole effect on the crystals; ten years have passed and nothing has been done to resolve the problem. now the time is up and Vsf has started this challenge very well.

You just hit the nail on the head

There is no rightful reason not to improve the crystal, and wasting years in non existent improvements (like from ARF v2 to ARF v3, that are basically the same watch, and it’s absolute bullshit ahahah)


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[Sdc83]

You love crystals dont you lol

not all of us (fortunately) are like you, who would be willing to spend $ 2500 for a "perfect" ootb rep. with 2500 dollars I prefer to buy a gen, not a Rolex but always a gen. points of view

 

[mari115]

You love crystals dont you lol

Well, we love good crystals, and we dislike when the factories actively decide not to struggle with the biggest tell of any rep at the present moment


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[Cadows]

not all of us (fortunately) are like you, who would be willing to spend $ 2500 for a "perfect" ootb rep. with 2500 dollars I prefer to buy a gen, not a Rolex but always a gen. points of view

Why your here then Genny?

 

[mariot]

i agree with crystal is very important to fix black hole and one more thing about the rehaut...
how difficult it is to be properly aligned at 12.00?
i have 5 watch, 3 arf, 1 vrf, 1 zzf and no one is properly aligned

 

[m5smg2]

i agree with crystal is very important to fix black hole and one more thing about the rehaut...
how difficult it is to be properly aligned at 12.00?
i have 5 watch, 3 arf, 1 vrf, 1 zzf and no one is properly aligned

Even gen rehauts are not always perfectly aligned to the dial. Yours is a bit off. Just loosen the movement screws (don’t remove) and rotate movement/dial a hair to the left.

 

[mariot]

Even gen rehauts are not always perfectly aligned to the dial. Yours is a bit off. Just loosen the movement screws (don’t remove) and rotate movement/dial a hair to the left.

yes i know that It can also happen in gen but it is very rare

 

[kk169]

I totally agree with you. but i think no factory is currently doing anything to have a good black hole effect, except Vsf (Rxf). the reason is very simple: the various factories sell thousands and thousands of subs even without this improvement to the Crystal. but, there is a "but", the excellent work done by Vsf on crystal combined with the very competitive price will soon take away a large slice of the market from the other factories (Arf, Noob, ZZF in primis). v.1 116610 of RXF costs 388 dollars and uaooooo, I think that with v.2 there will be no more competition. I will buy an Rxf only for the clearly best crystal of all!

and this is what factories must understand and what Angus should tell ARF: whoever puts the best crystal with the best black hole effect will win the battle.

puretime stop ignoring the problem and tell Arf to put a good black hole effect on the crystals; ten years have passed and nothing has been done to resolve the problem. now the time is up and Vsf has started this challenge very well.

Does the cyclop on this batman I got from
puretime looks any closer to gen’s black hole and halo?

 

[mari115]

Does the cyclop on this batman I got from
puretime looks any closer to gen’s black hole and halo?

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it's not noticeable under directional artificial light, get out during sunset and take some more pictures

 

[mari115]

i agree with crystal is very important to fix black hole and one more thing about the rehaut...
how difficult it is to be properly aligned at 12.00?
i have 5 watch, 3 arf, 1 vrf, 1 zzf and no one is properly aligned

it's way more common than you think it is, even in the new ones, every 4 watches one is misaligned, it's normal.

No one is gonna see the rehaut from 1-3 meters, but everyone is gonna see the crystal

 

[mari115]

So, yeah, let's wait for puretime's reply, since they have a connection with ARF, hopefully they can tell them something about the ugly ass crystal that we are forced to have in our reps since 2010