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[pwo]

i agree with crystal is very important to fix black hole and one more thing about the rehaut...
how difficult it is to be properly aligned at 12.00?
i have 5 watch, 3 arf, 1 vrf, 1 zzf and no one is properly aligned

Gen rehaut never aligns with 12. alignment is X on marker on right face and R on markers on left face.

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[Sdc83]

Why your here then Genny?

only people like you, who want to spend 2500 $ for one rep, can stay here? there are also people who are happy with a 500 $ rep, you know? so don't piss me off anymore, Sammy, and invest your precious time buying crystals gen. cheers

 

[Cadows]

only people like you, who want to spend 2500 $ for one rep, can stay here? there are also people who are happy with a 500 $ rep, you know? so don't piss me off anymore, Sammy, and invest your precious time buying crystals gen. cheers

I piss you off? Good to know

 

[Sdc83]

I piss you off? Good to know

don't you think like me about rep? no problem. but you don't have to break my balls and ask me why I'm in this forum, just because I wouldn't spend $ 2500 for a rep.

 

[T&E]

I don’t see the point struggling with the black hole effect because I tried many angles and I could not demonstrate the black hole effect with the 2 gens with me, so I think it only happens in certain lighting conditions.


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That is a bullshit, there aren't rep crystal can replicate black hole effect, imo it is the first thing to upgrade, and the second one is dw upgrading expecially on arf, that is horrorific.

 

[Cadows]

don't you think like me about rep? no problem. but you don't have to break my balls and ask me why I'm in this forum, just because I wouldn't spend $ 2500 for a rep.

Lol ok sorry for hurtin your feelings

 

[mari115]

That is a bullshit, there aren't rep crystal can replicate black hole effect, imo it is the first thing to upgrade, and the second one is dw upgrading expecially on arf, that is horrorific.

So true

 

[2841]

Gen rehaut never aligns with 12. alignment is X on marker on right face and R on markers on left face.

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Well that is nowhere near correct.

and no, every 4th gen does not have a misaligned rehault.

ive had 7 gens over the last couple of years, and one of them was VERY slightly misaligned, we are talking a micro millimeter. Nothing like you see on these reps.

rotating the dial is in most cases not an option aswell, then you will just have a crooked dial.

 

[Sonofalich]

Well that is nowhere near correct.

and no, every 4th gen does not have a misaligned rehault.

ive had 7 gens over the last couple of years, and one of them was VERY slightly misaligned, we are talking a micro millimeter. Nothing like you see on these reps.

rotating the dial is in most cases not an option aswell, then you will just have a crooked dial.

There's more mistakes in gens than you realise. Your anecdotal experience is exactly that.

The reality is... it's only replica nutjobs like us that are scrutinizing our watches for flaws. Most people buying the gen article, are just happy they've got the call from Rolex. Sure... major flaws will be repaired. But 90-95% of the gen owners will never ever look at a watch like we do. That's why the flaws aren't spoken about more... as most people aren't even aware they exist.

A great example of this is watchfinder intense macros... how many times have you seen a very expensive watch with a flaw. Typical one is GMT hands on Rolex gens... isn't quite a perfect straight line. Or there was a Patek I saw that had bad hands on the reverse. But these things are intensified because of the macro lens.

We're as a whole insecure because we're wearing reps, we're frightened that someone will spot the tiny minute detail that isn't quite right. Once you accept this, learn that it's only a small minority of mental cases (myself very much included) that actually realise or know about the flaws.

Accept that you're a mentalist, accept that no-body but you and this forum understands the flaws. You will have a much nicer time with your watches then... Once I first got into this hobby I was a bit anal and EVERYTHING had to be perfect. Now I'm much more chill. I'll fix the glaring flaws, but as a whole, chill. That's not targetted at any one person btw. It's a general, stfu, it's all fine Breathe.

 

[mari115]

Well that is nowhere near correct.

and no, every 4th gen does not have a misaligned rehault.

it was a blatant figure of speech, to show that it's something common and it's accepted by rolex since it's in their tolerances, so it's not a tell.

The real tell here is the shitty crystal without halo effect or black hole.

But since we are here, this is a gen batman owned by a family member, the rehaut at 12 is very misaligned, but you don't give a shit in a genuine one, after waiting for a year to get it, do you?

And this is my gen explorer 1, misaligned crown and Xs all around the dial, again, it's not a tell, the real visual tell here is the crystal

gif iphone 5s

 

[ra1n]

There's more mistakes in gens than you realise. Your anecdotal experience is exactly that.

The reality is... it's only replica nutjobs like us that are scrutinizing our watches for flaws. Most people buying the gen article, are just happy they've got the call from Rolex. Sure... major flaws will be repaired. But 90-95% of the gen owners will never ever look at a watch like we do. That's why the flaws aren't spoken about more... as most people aren't even aware they exist.

A great example of this is watchfinder intense macros... how many times have you seen a very expensive watch with a flaw. Typical one is GMT hands on Rolex gens... isn't quite a perfect straight line. Or there was a Patek I saw that had bad hands on the reverse. But these things are intensified because of the macro lens.

We're as a whole insecure because we're wearing reps, we're frightened that someone will spot the tiny minute detail that isn't quite right. Once you accept this, learn that it's only a small minority of mental cases (myself very much included) that actually realise or know about the flaws.

Accept that you're a mentalist, accept that no-body but you and this forum understands the flaws. You will have a much nicer time with your watches then... Once I first got into this hobby I was a bit anal and EVERYTHING had to be perfect. Now I'm much more chill. I'll fix the glaring flaws, but as a whole, chill. That's not targetted at any one person btw. It's a general, stfu, it's all fine Breathe.

Well said.

 

[mariot]

it was a blatant figure of speech, to show that it's something common and it's accepted by rolex since it's in their tolerances, so it's not a tell.

The real tell here is the shitty crystal without halo effect or black hole.

But since we are here, this is a gen batman owned by a family member, the rehaut at 12 is very misaligned, but you don't give a shit in a genuine one, after waiting for a year to get it, do you?

And this is my gen explorer 1, misaligned crown and Xs all around the dial, again, it's not a tell, the real visual tell here is the crystal

gif iphone 5s

I have 5 replica watches and I reject another 4, total 9 all with wrong rehaut!
also had all these years more than 10 gen rolex and no one has wrong alignment
rolex they are handmade and it makes sense to have mistakes but i thing is rare.

 

[mari115]

I have 5 replica watches and I reject another 4, total 9 all with wrong rehaut!
also had all these years more than 10 gen rolex and no one has wrong alignment
rolex they are handmade and it makes sense to have mistakes but i thing is rare.

looks like someone has very limited knowledge...

1) no reason to reject 4 watches because of a misaligned rehaut lmao.

2) if it doesn't happen to you doesn't mean that it's the same for every existing rolex in the world.

3) Rolex doesn't make handmade watches, they refine some details by hand, but their watches are mostly made with CNC machines

4) if you got a gen rolex with a misaligned rehaut, which is way more common than you think, would you go to rolex and give it back? LMAO They will tell you that the watch respects their tolerances.


Having said that, there is no reason to make a fuss for the rehaut, it's such a small and minor detail, you either need a loupe or you need to watch it from 10/20 cms in order to appreciate it.

The crystal, instead, is visible from metres away, it's the first thing you see from far away, and that's the main tell of the reps.

If the factories don't make some better crystals might as well take an old noob v10 and just change its name, and charge you 50$ more for the same watch. Basically the same thing that ARF is doing lol, from ARF v2 to ARF v3 it's the same watch, just with a different name, and it's bullshit.

here's more pictures if it's still not clear what a black hole is:

And there is even a High Res video about this here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KqJd...nnel=JenniElle

 

[mari115]

So please, puretime , tell ARF that they must invest in better crystal instead of changing nothing or small useless things that are totally invisible when you are wearing the watch, i'm sure that if ARF makes a good crystal ALL the other factories would follow, since EVERYONE will be buying ARF's new watch even just for the crystal

 

[mariot]

looks like someone has very limited knowledge...

1) no reason to reject 4 watches because of a misaligned rehaut lmao.

2) if it doesn't happen to you doesn't mean that it's the same for every existing rolex in the world.

3) Rolex doesn't make handmade watches, they refine some details by hand, but their watches are mostly made with CNC machines

4) if you got a gen rolex with a misaligned rehaut, which is way more common than you think, would you go to rolex and give it back? LMAO They will tell you that the watch respects their tolerances.


Having said that, there is no reason to make a fuss for the rehaut, it's such a small and minor detail, you either need a loupe or you need to watch it from 10/20 cms in order to appreciate it.

The crystal, instead, is visible from metres away, it's the first thing you see from far away, and that's the main tell of the reps.

If the factories don't make some better crystals might as well take an old noob v10 and just change its name, and charge you 50$ more for the same watch. Basically the same thing that ARF is doing lol, from ARF v2 to ARF v3 it's the same watch, just with a different name, and it's bullshit.

here's more pictures if it's still not clear what a black hole is:

And there is even a High Res video about this here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KqJd...nnel=JenniElle

do you judge me by the number of posts?
i don’t reject 4 times only for rehaut and I do not care how others look my watch but how do I see it
I agree for crystal is a very important issue

 

[mari115]

do you judge me by the number of posts?

No, but from what you said, which is inherently incorrect

 

[mariot]

No, but from what you said, which is inherently incorrect

I don't understand why they cannot make a properly rehaut. that’s all i said

 

[mari115]

I don't understand why they cannot make a properly rehaut. that’s all i said

because it only bothers us rep lovers, and it's not necessary to have an aligned rehaut for rolex

 

[2841]

So please, puretime , tell ARF that they must invest in better crystal instead of changing nothing or small useless things that are totally invisible when you are wearing the watch, i'm sure that if ARF makes a good crystal ALL the other factories would follow, since EVERYONE will be buying ARF's new watch even just for the crystal

Well you also have to acknowledge and respect, that we don't all have the same opinions about what flaws are important or not.

Like i stated a way back, i have a couple of Rolex reps that i use in rotation with my gens. For ME, the caseshape, the rehault and the feel of the metalwork, bracelet, clasp is the most important. The dial and hands are a big factor as well. And CF Inserts now a days are pretty near perfect.

In regards to the crystal, i really couldn't give less of a shit Its something that's easily changeable, by myself, i don't even need a modder And for a watch I wear and enjoy weekly, i don't mind spending a bit extra on a gen crystal, something that really makes the watch, dial, hands and datewheel pop

But a badly shaped case, rehault or poor quality metal work is waaaay harder or impossible for most people to fix.

And no, i wouldn't buy a watch, just for the crystal... That would be a poor financial decision

 

[mari115]

Well you also have to acknowledge and respect, that we don't all have the same opinions about what flaws are important or not.

Absolutely, anyone can think whatever they like it's opinions as you said, we all know that general finishing and feeling are rarely genlike, but at the same time no one can disagree with facts, and it's a fact that you can't see general finishing, rehaut or the genlike feeling from one meter, but you can clearly see a crystal from that distance, and even from further away.

In regards to the crystal, i really couldn't give less of a shit Its something that's easily changeable, by myself, i don't even need a modder And for a watch a wear and enjoy weekly, i don't mind spending a bit extra on a gen crystal, something that really makes the watch, dial, hands and datewheel pop

That's perfectly fine, but by doing that you are acknowledging that the crystals are shit, and you change them because you want to reach that gen feeling and look that the rep crystals lack. So yeah, you can change them yourself, because they are shit, and they have been shit in the last 10 years with almost no improvement at all. Wouldn't it be amazing not having to spend 350 extra bucks just to change something that should be a given?

This is the point, anyone can have its preferences regarding tells or what not, but as you said it's totally subjective, what's objective is the stuff that can be or cannot be seen from far away, and a badly shaped CG, case shape or rehaut is invisible when worn.

And no, i wouldn't buy a watch, just for the crystal... That would be a poor financial decision

People buy ARF's daytonas just for the dial and bezel, they swap with noob's and resell it later, i think it's pretty sound for a "budget" build. It wouldn't be the first time if someone bought a watch (or just a part of it) just to get some particular pieces.

I think we both agree that all this wouldn't be necessary if reps came with respectable crystals (even the questionable financial decision of doubling the price of your rep by installing a genuine glass

, still an opinion tho)