The 1016: The Under Appreciated Thread

[369mafia]

Pics please. Not clear what you're doing with the copper wire.

I assume he is inserting it into the pinon opening to keep the tube uniform while compressing the outter wall to reduce ID to fit pinon ?

or so I thought I read it again and he is using it as a spacer to make up the difference between the ID of the hand and the OD of the pinon

I hear old watchmakers back in the day used a similar technique with hands whos holes became enlarged, they would use eye lash or eyebrown lash to "mind the gap" to get a tighter fit

did I guess right @Karbon74 what did I win?

 

[369mafia]

I know right? Sounds kinda kinky.

kinky indeed

 

[Karbon74]

I assume he is inserting it into the pinon opening to keep the tube uniform while compressing the outter wall to reduce ID to fit pinon ?

this ^^
yes absolutely

On the first attempt, I collapsed the walls of the pinion and the hole just closed. Wasted.
On the second I used the copper wire to prevent the collapse. It worked and the second hands could be placed on the seconds post. I used a nail cutter to compress the pinion.

It's just that I am sure there is a better way.

The pin vices I have are crappy. I guess I need collets? yes?

 

[316lad]

Ok, I thought you were effecting some kind of new pinion but you were using the copper wire as a drift to pinch the pinion a little. That is kind of the way it's done - with a very gentle hand. As 369 said - the old school boys used an eye-lash, etc.

A good quality pin-vice is worth it's weight in gold - a cheap one is worth nothing and in fact ends up owing you for the things it has broken when you've tried to use it.

I would use my staking set for this type of work and you should to. You'd place the hand - pinion up - on the stake anvil and bring down a hollow tapered shaft too pinch it slightly - the beauty of the staking seyt is the work can be performed incredibly gently.

Get a nice old Bergeon or Boley - there's a few others but those are easy to come by in our neck of the woods and they have th added advantage of using a common stake size; 4.7mm.
I use mine for so many tasks - and I couldn't do without it now.

Hope that helps.

 

[Karbon74]

Ok, I thought you were effecting some kind of new pinion but you were using the copper wire as a drift to pinch the pinion a little. That is kind of the way it's done - with a very gentle hand. As 369 said - the old school boys used an eye-lash, etc.

A good quality pin-vice is worth it's weight in gold - a cheap one is worth nothing and in fact ends up owing you for the things it has broken when you've tried to use it.

I would use my staking set for this type of work and you should to. You'd place the hand - pinion up - on the stake anvil and bring down a hollow tapered shaft too pinch it slightly - the beauty of the staking seyt is the work can be performed incredibly gently.

Get a nice old Bergeon or Boley - there's a few others but those are easy to come by in our neck of the woods and they have th added advantage of using a common stake size; 4.7mm.
I use mine for so many tasks - and I couldn't do without it now.

Hope that helps.

can you link me to the tools?
I must say I am getting lost in the names


And yes, I am slowly replacing all my tools with Bergeon. Did not know Boley. interesting

 

[316lad]

 

[316lad]

can you link me to the tools?
I must say I am getting lost in the names


And yes, I am slowly replacing all my tools with Bergeon. Did not know Boley. interesting

Cousins will sell you a new one for lots of money:

https://www.cousinsuk.com/product/staking-set-bergeon-15285b?code=S7684

That's their Starter one!

Mine cost me about £350 used and I've purchased a few extra stakes from Bergeon, etc. It is quite ancient and belonged to just one watchmaker before me. I wouldn't swap it now and I am used to it's little ways. It becomes an extension of your hands.

Ebay - will fetch up a lot of results - especially as the cursed YouTube Watchmaker era is coming to a close after Lockdowns and they've really come down in price since I bought mine. Just make sure it's complete as possible and hasn't been trashed - you CAN tell from photos.

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[activa66]

Hey guys

I'm jumping into the 1016 game, currently reading all the thread.

Just for reference, do you know if it exist a doc/message with all parts available and best one?


Thank you !

 

[Karbon74]

Hey guys

I'm jumping into the 1016 game, currently reading all the thread.

Just for reference, do you know if it exist a doc/message with all parts available and best one?


Thank you !

yes, it's the folder just below the one for the best Sub

 

[Karbon74]

Hey guys

I'm jumping into the 1016 game, currently reading all the thread.

Just for reference, do you know if it exist a doc/message with all parts available and best one?


Thank you !

more seriously

buying all Raffles is a sure bet for a starter build

 

[Ukrop]

more seriously

buying all Raffles is a sure bet for a starter build

I absolutely agree with you. Convenience of Raffles is unmatched. You can get everything in one place (including movement). Just type "explorer" into a search field and choose parts you like. That's what I did anyway.

 

[dpd3672]

The other advantage of Raffles is you really can take it as far as you’re willing to go. Out of the box, it’s very good, but with case shaping, dial aging, etc, you’d really be hard pressed to do any better.

 

[Ukrop]

Looks freaking awesome and also expensive.

This is what I use as a staking punch. Can you guys guess what it is?

 

[activa66]

thank you very much everyone I keep an eye on raffle and I continue to read the topic carefully

 

[369mafia]

Looks freaking awesome and also expensive.

This is what I use as a staking punch. Can you guys guess what it is?

Hand setting tool

 

[Ukrop]

Hand setting tool

Bingo!

 

[Karbon74]

I don't understand how a hand setting too can be a stake

tutorial or pic?

 

[Ukrop]

I don't understand how a hand setting too can be a stake

tutorial or pic?

Same way you would use actual reducing staking punch. You place it over hand's pinion and wack it with something heavy.

 

[Ukrop]

 

[Karbon74]

that works for minutes and hour
but seconds??