The 1016: The Under Appreciated Thread

[369mafia]

Gen case for reference

 

[1016 lover]

@flobojo i ve saw on your picture that your scrystal is not well sit on the case, look at you side picture, see the heigh of the crystal at 12, and a 6, i think its not pressed completly

https://clickpix.org/images/33XgX1.th.jpg

 

[ebzen02]

@flobojo i ve saw on your picture that your scrystal is not well sit on the case, look at you side picture, see the heigh of the crystal at 12, and a 6, i think its not pressed completly

https://clickpix.org/images/33XgX1.th.jpg

 

[369mafia]

My raffles parts arrived and I played hooky yesterday and build the tropical 1016

Overall impression of the new tropical dial. A solid A - grade. Well made, crisp text , finish has a subtle metallic nature to capture light. Defiantly modeled after a mk6 gilt open dial Cornet isn't that far off under magnification and defiantly good on the wrist. Was hoping for a bit more color flipping or variation in colour when moving the dial in light. but for the price, its definably a win!!


(stay tuned for the sub build)

drilled lugs, aged the case , slight lume aging to dial and hands , removed date wheel and modified setting lever to two positions and assembly. Turned out great.

quick preview pic from last night. plan on taking more in the sun this afternoon.


A gen example for reference.

 

[1675lover]

looks..... off. somehow i just dont like it.
i think the bright brown/orange just puts me off.

no further ageing of the dial?

 

[369mafia]

looks..... off. somehow i just dont like it.
i think the bright brown/orange just puts me off.

no further ageing of the dial?

Yeah. It is a bit brash in those pics . Under direct light with a slight edit. Not far from IRL. And But this morning I took this one on a window ledge under overcast skies -natural light and it looked chocolate.

as far as aging. It seems that alot of tropical dials dont have alot of aging. the lume is usually lighter in colour and clean and complete. (as the gen example posted above) , I am thinking of a way to age the dial to make it look more sun bleached and less newish, but without disturbing the lume or the gilt text. I want to dull out the gloss a bit without losing that metallic depth ... I may try baking the dial , but at present I am fine with how it is looks it is a bit of a shift from your standard black dial but its growing on me.

 

[369mafia]

 

[1016_idiot_savant]

@Action_Jensen thanks, I am pretty happy with the result, I wear it since yesterday and really like the result, I didn't touch the case flank, only lugs, and put a crystal from an other rep on it, think to invest in a Clark to see if it can produce a better look,

@1016 lover - nice work on the case! Did you increase the bezel diameter to fit the crystal (I'm assuming it is acrylic) and if so did you just use sandpaper? I did a similar conversion using a Sternkreutz T-21, but I see Raffles now has an acrylic crystal option for this case (just ordered one).

 

[1016_idiot_savant]

Not quite a 1016, but...

... I scratched the 1016 itch with a "5500 Explorer Franken" by fitting a 34mm 1002 with a Yuki 1016 dial and hands (which I oven-aged), but found the 34mm size too small:



(BTW: dial and hands available for trade with 1016 ditto, if anyone should be looking for these).

After returning the 1002 to spec, I modded a 36mm Seiko "1016" using a Raffles case to which I fitted a T-21 acrylic crystal and a Seiko-branded 1016 dial and 13mm hands, which I aged slightly. This has essentially not been off my wrist for the last two years...



... so I am now ready to move to an accurate 1016 rep, starting with a shaped Raffles rep / JMB or gen DJ or 1018 case, ETA movement, and aged Yuki dial... in this regard, the forum and particularly this thread is proving extremely helpful!

Now to begin sourcing ... let the games begin

 

[rickyman94]

... I scratched the 1016 itch with a "5500 Explorer Franken" by fitting a 34mm 1002 with a Yuki 1016 dial and hands (which I oven-aged), but found the 34mm size too small:

looks great! what crystal did you use for the 1002? looks domed?

 

[1016_idiot_savant]

looks great! what crystal did you use for the 1002? looks domed?

Thank you - the 1002 was a gen, i.e. the domed acrylic was original.

 

[1016 lover]

For this first build, i ve used a dj 16200 case from a old rep that i ve bought, the dome crystal was fit as is on the dj, i ve just reuse it, but sure, it's not the same than the raffle one, look more dome and is more similar to a T21 i think, but i didnt measure the bezel diameter, i will do when i will rework the case...
I didn't increase the bezel so, but sure @369mafia could help you for the best practice to do it the right way.
For the raffle case, i ve broke my 2 crystals with my bezel opener tool, they were glued , and ordered some aftermark T22 to replace, but not sure wath i will receive, and if i will go that way, i like the dome look of my first attemp.

 

[1016_idiot_savant]

Thank you - the 1002 was a gen, i.e. the domed acrylic was original.

For this first build, i ve used a dj 16200 case from a old rep that i ve bought, the dome crystal was fit as is on the dj, i ve just reuse it, but sure, it's not the same than the raffle one, look more dome and is more similar to a T21 i think, but i didnt measure the bezel diameter, i will do when i will rework the case...
I didn't increase the bezel so, but sure @369mafia could help you for the best practice to do it the right way.
For the raffle case, i ve broke my 2 crystals with my bezel opener tool, they were glued , and ordered some aftermark T22 to replace, but not sure wath i will receive, and if i will go that way, i like the dome look of my first attemp.

Thanks - sorry to hear about the raffles crystals, at least it sounds like they are glued solidly! Perhaps heating the case in the oven would allow easier removal (or I'll just leave the crystal on for case shaping).

 

[1016_idiot_savant]

For this first build, i ve used a dj 16200 case from a old rep that i ve bought, the dome crystal was fit as is on the dj, i ve just reuse it, but sure, it's not the same than the raffle one, look more dome and is more similar to a T21 i think, but i didnt measure the bezel diameter, i will do when i will rework the case...
I didn't increase the bezel so, but sure @369mafia could help you for the best practice to do it the right way.
For the raffle case, i ve broke my 2 crystals with my bezel opener tool, they were glued , and ordered some aftermark T22 to replace, but not sure wath i will receive, and if i will go that way, i like the dome look of my first attemp.

Follow-up thought (although you are probably aware of this): I believe the T-22 has a larger outer diameter than the T-21... if the Raffles case used an aftermarket T-21, you might need to reduce the T-22 diameter.

 

[1675lover]

@369mafia question on getting a clark's crystal to fit in a raffles case.
I'm planning to get a t22 from clark's ebay


1. for raffles cases, which part of the bezel do you file/shave down to fit a clark's crystal (t22)?
the inner diameter of the bezel?
what's the estimated inner diameter to fit the T22?

2. any filing/shaving needed on the outer diameter on the case?

thanks in advance

 

[369mafia]

@369mafia question on getting a clark's crystal to fit in a raffles case.
I'm planning to get a t22 from clark's ebay


1. for raffles cases, which part of the bezel do you file/shave down to fit a clark's crystal (t22)?
the inner diameter of the bezel?
what's the estimated inner diameter to fit the T22?

2. any filing/shaving needed on the outer diameter on the case?

thanks in advance

HI

T21 domed crystal
T22 beveled flat service crystal

The entire Inner diameter of the bezel itself needs to be enlarged slightly to fit over the crystal . (T21) I have not attempted to modify a bezel to fit a T22 as I have a preference for the domed crystals I believe the T22 OD is larger . I have one made by JMB and can take measurements of it if needed.

I use a Dremel with a grinding stone at the slowest speed around the circumference of the ID of the bezel against the rotation of the Dremel . do a few passes and test, and continue. slow and patient is the way.- by always testing and measuring Its always easier to do a bit more , than dealing with the problem of taking away too much material.

you want a snug fit but not too tight or you will crack the crystal. once you have what you think will be an idea fit. take a small fine file (diamond file / jewelers ) and give the inside edge a quick touch up to remove and metal burrs , you can follow up with some high grit sand paper 400-600 if you wish to insure you have a smooth surface that wont gouge the crystal , give the top surface of the bezel a quick polish, . if you scuffed it up ( or alternatively now is the time to age the bezel while its off the case) and install the bezel over crystal with a press.


The Clarks crystal t21 or t22 fit the mid case nicely, no issues or modifications required.

hope that helps. Best of luck!

 

[1016 lover]

I think the raffle case are mount with a t22 style crystal, the inner diameter of the raffle bezel is 30.3mm, if I am not wrong, the t21 measure 30.6mm, the T22 30.3, that's why I ve ordered some t22 in replacement but sure the dome aspect is from T21, the crystal i have on my build is more a T21 i think, will measure it if i have some time this week end

 

[369mafia]

 

[369mafia]

 

[freebalkany]

Hello,
I would also recommend using a different bezel that the raffles one https://www.ebay.de/itm/153081105188
To my understanding, the raffles bezel is a bit too tall.

Here is a picture of my watch with the eBay bezel