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The 1016: The Under Appreciated Thread

Karbon74

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the seller offers the bracelet lengths.
then you source your own clasp and end links. Which in this case I got from Raffles.
I wonder if the Seiko folded Jubi could be adapted to the Raffles endlinks and clasp...
 

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I wonder if the Seiko folded Jubi could be adapted to the Raffles endlinks and clasp...
probably yes. depending if the center link that mounts to the clasp is big enough. too small wont work great. too big you could file down to fit.
 
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with postage, the bracelet you show would be 95€. Listing says "no additional import taxes"...that would imply they collect the EU taxes.

add 50ish € for the Raffles bracelet as donor
It's alright if I keep the watch. Resell would be a pain, I am guessing
 

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Because you asked ;)
I cracked the crystal with my last bezel experiments, you can see at the 1 minute and 9 minute hashmarks. That beeing said im still on the search for the perfect bezel. I think about getting some customs made but have to see how much they are. Till then i use the moded WSO one that has a slight curve to it duo to some wobling of the lathe unfortunately.
Also id like to lighten up the lubme of the hands a little it, maybe i am trying the water colour pencil method,
After that some more case ageing and this build should be fine..
As mentioned here already i have the same thought as @316lad and @dpd3672 to go for some gen parts and make a 5500 Explorer.

Build:
-Raffles case (heavy shaping)
-SK T21 crystal
-WSO Bezel widened and lathed for the champfer on the underside
-gen (Athaya) crown and Stem
-2mm Springbars
-regulated NH38
-Ruby dial
-ebay hands

Did you get the Athaya 600 crown/tube - how easy was this to fit the raffles case?
 

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Did you get the Athaya 600 crown/tube - how easy was this to fit the raffles case?
This might help - I found it very easy:
 
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Did you get the Athaya 600 crown/tube - how easy was this to fit the raffles case?
Yes, Athaya 24-600 Crown and tube. You have to redrill and retap the raffles case for that. The drill i used is 2.65mm and you have to use M3 x 0.35 Taps (In german it is calles "Fine thread" not so sure about english)
 

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Yes, Athaya 24-600 Crown and tube. You have to redrill and retap the raffles case for that. The drill i used is 2.65mm and you have to use M3 x 0.35 Taps (In german it is calles "Fine thread" not so sure about english)
Interesting you use M3X0.35 - the Athaya site says M3X0,30, which I have used, but I have always felt I am forcing the tube in. How did the tube screw in for you using 0,35 thread?

 
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Interesting you use M3X0.35 - the Athaya site says M3X0,30, which I have used, but I have always felt I am forcing the tube in. How did the tube screw in for you using 0,35 thread?

Yeah i had to research that as well.. pls do not qoute me on threats but the gen is also M3 finethread. It screws in very smoothely (still somewhat depending on your skill of taping something that fine) but you have to use a rolex tube tool to not mangle the various small surfaces
 

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Yeah i had to research that as well.. pls do not qoute me on threats but the gen is also M3 finethread. It screws in very smoothely (still somewhat depending on your skill of taping something that fine) but you have to use a rolex tube tool to not mangle the various small surfaces
Still researching here... this is what ChatGPT has to say:
"M3X0.35 taps are commonly used in applications where a **coarser thread** is required, such as in **woodworking** or **plastic** materials ¹. On the other hand, M3X0.30 taps are used in applications where a **finer thread** is required, such as in **electronics** or **precision machinery** ². For example, M3X0.35 taps can be used to create threads in **wooden furniture** or **plastic toys** ¹. M3X0.30 taps, on the other hand, can be used to create threads in **microcontrollers** or **precision instruments** ²."

Athaya also referred me to this image (regarding gen):

 

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Very interestig! Ill try to find some info too just for clarification ;-) I dont want to criticize your findings but is it possible that chatGTP got something mixed up? I thing the name "fine" already implies the use for more delicate tasks. Picture from german Wiki but i think it gets the point across.

https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feingewinde#/media/Datei:Regel-+Feingew.svg

give me some time to research and ill find out what the gen uses but atm i still think its finethread.


Also my current project: I personally think its a good compromise of looks and the fitting of a T21. Thoughts always welcome :)

 
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threads always have tolerances.
Also, I am pretty sure that inserting the tube creates deformation on both the internal and external threads
 

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"I wonder if the Seiko folded Jubi could be adapted to the Raffles endlinks and clasp..."

Never tried Seiko parts but have used the 'segments' from old USA Bulova jubilee type bracelets with Rlx clasp/hoods. Iirc, I might have had to file the Rlx spec hood (end piece) slots a hair.
Imho, the jubilee segments on eBay are a bargain if you have a clasp and hoods.

My vintage Rlx bracelet junk pile...

 

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I found a stupid good deal on a 20W laser, so engraving metal should now be in the realm of possibilities. It's sturdy as hell, I'm actually slightly scared of it, because a little bit of carelessness could be catastrophic (fire, blindness, loss of limb, etc...you know, the usual things that watch hobbyists kindergarten teachers, and librarians worry about...). I actually have a protective enclosure on order, and have made a promise to myself not to use it until it arrives. Cliff Notes: It now has a honeycomb metal baffle, stainless steel plate, some leftover ceramic tile, a sheet of aluminum foil (why not?), and 3/4" of plywood underneath it, lol.


This thing makes Goldfinger look like a potzer.

It isn't powerful enough to deeply engrave Stainless Steel, but could possibly be enough to engrave cases and backs, with enough passes.

That said, it IS powerful enough to deeply engrave, or cut, aluminum. So now cutom pad printed dials are within reach. I'm still researching the process, but thinking I have a dial pad printer in my future...

Cutting the plates with laser:

Printing the dial, sometimes using multiple plates:

I seriously am enjoying the process more than the product, by far.

So I'd prepare a blank dial (polish or paint), scan a dial into Adobe or similar, tweak it into a high res vector file, create the plates, print the dial, and it should be about as professional as you can get this side of Geneva...gilt showing through a black dial with raised, glossy white printing.

It's still very early in the process, but as I learn, I will post results here.

Long story short: I think the later model Explorer dials and odd variants might now be within reach...maybe even stuff like Karbon's Railmaster or others. And technically, I should be able to "correct" whatever flaws we find in the offerings from Raffles, HR, Yuki, etc.

I see myself living in Vietnam in 10 years, lol.