The 1016: The Under Appreciated Thread

[freebalkany]

1016 build is coming along well.
I think I understand why modders like the ETA 2840 so much. It's a great movement

 

[israelodysseus]

alternatively u can buy a SW200 with the ghost position already removed.

ND - no date

Search - Sw200 ND

Cousins UK Search Results for Sw200 ND

www.cousinsuk.com

I've heard the NH38 is a good way to go. That it's reliable, low beat, and already no date.

 

[Karbon74]

I've heard the NH38 is a good way to go. That it's reliable, low beat, and already no date.

it absolutely is. especially now that Raffles lists NH hands

 

[Geonor]

Another vote for the NH38 here. Bullet proof movement.

My Alibaba source for a lot of things Seiko mod related.

Japan Original Nh38a Mechanical Movement Mod Automatic Watch Movement 24 Jewels High Accuracy Nh38 Top Repair Parts - Buy Nh38 Watch Movement Product on Alibaba.com

Japan Original Nh38a Mechanical Movement Mod Automatic Watch Movement 24 Jewels High Accuracy Nh38 Top Repair Parts - Buy Nh38 Watch Movement Product on Alibaba.com

x.alibaba.com

 

[Karbon74]

No matter how much care I take, about 1 in 5 keyless works gets screwed up when removing or reinserting stems. I'm actually going to use NH35 for a few of my next builds for that reason.

It might be the cheap (as in, whatever is selling cheapest on AliX when I place my order) movements I'm using.

And having said that, am I silly for feeling wrong using a Chinese copy of a Japanese movement in a replica Swiss watch, rather than a Chinese copy of a Swiss movement?!?

NH38 better if you find them

NH35 has a date position

 

[Action_Jensen]

I've heard the NH38 is a good way to go. That it's reliable, low beat, and already no date.

Yeah i can aprove that. really relaible easy to work with.

 

[dpd3672]

I built my girlfriend a watch for Christmas (the much maligned "Flamingo Watch," lol) and used a NH35 instead of my usual ETA. I have to say, it feels much smoother than the ETAs I'm used to. It winds smoother, the hands set smoother, and overall, it feels like a higher quality watch.

Again, I'm sure it's partially due to using bargain basement AliX movements, but so were the NH35s I bought.

I know the Seiko 5 movements are legendary for their durability and ruggedness. So even a badly repped Chinese copy is probably at some advantage over a badly repped Swiss movement.

 

[freebalkany]

Well, The 1016 is now in a wearable state.
I've got a bracelet on the way and I might change the dial & handset, let's see.
For now, it is a leather RIOS strap

 

[316lad]

I built my girlfriend a watch for Christmas (the much maligned "Flamingo Watch," lol) and used a NH35 instead of my usual ETA. I have to say, it feels much smoother than the ETAs I'm used to. It winds smoother, the hands set smoother, and overall, it feels like a higher quality watch.

Again, I'm sure it's partially due to using bargain basement AliX movements, but so were the NH35s I bought.

I know the Seiko 5 movements are legendary for their durability and ruggedness. So even a badly repped Chinese copy is probably at some advantage over a badly repped Swiss movement.

Oh no, no, no DPD,
The "Flamaingo Affair" was not maligned at all. We were all delighted in the extreme.

In fact, I was in Lidl a couple of days later - browsing the centre aisle and what did i see?
and I thought of this thread . . .

 

[dpd3672]

Oh no, no, no DPD,
The "Flamaingo Affair" was not maligned at all. We were all delighted in the extreme.

In fact, I was in Lidl a couple of days later - browsing the centre aisle and what did i see?
and I thought of this thread . . .

Good GOD I hope she doesn't see this, lol.

 

[316lad]

Saturday night and the 1016 is where I want it.
A little bit knackered to reflect it's "great age" but sharp as a button in the important ways.
Happy Saturday Night everyone.

 

[Action_Jensen]

1016 build is coming along well.
I think I understand why modders like the ETA 2840 so much. It's a great movement

Is that a selfmade timegrapher? D:

 

[dpd3672]

Is that a selfmade timegrapher? D:

Looks like one of the microphones you can find pretty cheap on Ebay or AliX. It's what I use. there's a couple free downloadable programs to use with it, I use a couple and the results are consistent with one another, so it would seem to be accurate enough.

https://www.aliexpress.us/item/3256806249005332.html?spm=a2g0o.productlist.main.15.5b09235cgsgLHw&algo_pvid=6b7d1509-b6f6-4a43-acc9-df96453f8a0d&algo_exp_id=6b7d1509-b6f6-4a43-acc9-df96453f8a0d-7&pdp_npi=4%40dis%21USD%2117.87%2114.65%21%21%2117.87%2114.65%21%402101d8b517051762456248921e4301%2112000037156803259%21sea%21US%214595082603%21&curPageLogUid=qBlIBPRUCUmP&utparam-url=scene%3Asearch%7Cquery_from%3A

 

[Karbon74]

I use the same.
super handy and cheap

 

[316lad]

This handy app seems to work quite well.
But with my work, I generally just work on vintage watches. We’re not looking for fantastic results. We’re just trying to get the thing to run nicely with minimal beat error and maximum amplitude and I can hear that in my ear believe it or not!

 

[316lad]

You'll see at a glance that the averages are pretty consistent in all areas except the Amplitude.
The reason for that - as far as I can glean - is that the App doesn't HOLD measuring from a change of position. So those low/ High amplitude readings are as a result of changing the position of the movement (FU, FD, PU, PD, PL) which you can observe on the graph at approx 11.5 and 24.2

 

[Karbon74]

what's that software? is that PC based?

 

[316lad]

what's that software? is that PC based?

IOS

‎Watch Tuner Timegrapher

‎Watch Tuner Timegrapher is a mechanical (automatic or manual winding) watch testing application. It displays a frequency diagram of the watch and measures rate, beat error, amplitude and beats per hour. 
The application uses the build-in or headset's microphone to record audible ticks of the...

apps.apple.com

 

[dpd3672]

These are the two programs I use with the $15 timegrapher. They're for a PC, and as 316 lad has linked above, there are options for a phone or tablet as well.

About Watch-O-Scope - Watch Timing System

Tg timegrapher - download page

Tg is an open source timegrapher. The tg program is used to assess the health of mechanical watch movements, and to regulate mechanical watches.

tg.ciovil.li

A timegrapher is essentially a microphone, there's not much more, functionally, than that. A standalone model will add a display and some buttons to control it, but it's still just a microphone, some software, and a way to interact and interpret the data.

 

[Geonor]

These are the two programs I use with the $15 timegrapher. They're for a PC, and as 316 lad has linked above, there are options for a phone or tablet as well.

About Watch-O-Scope - Watch Timing System

Tg timegrapher - download page

Tg is an open source timegrapher. The tg program is used to assess the health of mechanical watch movements, and to regulate mechanical watches.

tg.ciovil.li

A timegrapher is essentially a microphone, there's not much more, functionally, than that. A standalone model will add a display and some buttons to control it, but it's still just a microphone, some software, and a way to interact and interpret the data.

Yup. I had the cheap microphone and PC software and it works fine but I make and sell a lot of Seiko mods so I bought a Weishi 1900 since it looks better in sales pictures also easy to do more positions with the nifty rack