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[[Suggestions, Corrections, Updates & Discussion]] ALE’s PAM GUIDE ****************
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Hi Ale,
I've just joined this forum and in awe for all your contributions in various subforums.
I wanna buy you beer if i meet you in person!!
Thanks for all the great work!! Now back to reading
I've just joined this forum and in awe for all your contributions in various subforums.
I wanna buy you beer if i meet you in person!!
Thanks for all the great work!! Now back to reading
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Hi Ale,
I've just joined this forum and in awe for all your contributions in various subforums.
I wanna buy you beer if i meet you in person!!
Thanks for all the great work!! Now back to reading
Thanks
Done!!
ALE
Ale, this is truely a Legacy which has inspired me to read and educate myself on Panerai. I want to thank you and all your colleagues for this. Please keep up the good work !
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Update – 14 December 2014
Included models:
PAM 532 P-series unknown maker released by Puretime - Nov 2014
A little fiasco, jus a decent replica with many flaws. Unnecessary having KW PAM 532.
PAM 305 Q-series ZFac sept 2014
A very good attempt from ZFac. A really good replica and nice watch made of solid Titanium like gen and fitted with ZFac non-inverted movement ZP9000-v2.
It is a true improvement fin relation with the last version L-series of this replica fitted with not decorated A7750 from January 2012.
This rep is a bit eclipsed by the magnificent PAM 364 Noob
Enjoy these new reps
ALE
Included models:
PAM 532 P-series unknown maker released by Puretime - Nov 2014
A little fiasco, jus a decent replica with many flaws. Unnecessary having KW PAM 532.
PAM 305 Q-series ZFac sept 2014
A very good attempt from ZFac. A really good replica and nice watch made of solid Titanium like gen and fitted with ZFac non-inverted movement ZP9000-v2.
It is a true improvement fin relation with the last version L-series of this replica fitted with not decorated A7750 from January 2012.
This rep is a bit eclipsed by the magnificent PAM 364 Noob
Enjoy these new reps
ALE
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Update - 24 December 2014
I have included in PAM GUIDE the new models as follows:
PAM 424 O-series from SF w/ P.3000 Clone3 movement
Very nice watch and very well manufactured rep. With a new improved movement Clone3, although still with some silly flaws. Unfortunately, some evident flaws downgrade the evaluation of this First Class rep in relation with his borther PAM 448
PAM 425 O-series from SF w/ P.3000 Clone3 movement
Almost the same. Very nice watch and very well manufactured rep. With a new improved movement Clone3, although still with some silly flaws. Unfortunately, some evident flaws downgrade the evaluation of this First Class rep in relation with his borther PAM 449. Maybe the less accurate of the “family†PAM 448-449-424 & 425.
Following the last releases of PAM 448 and PAM 449 and taking advantage of the new improved P.3000 Clone3 movement, this “family†is completed with the releases above mentioned:
Enjoy these new reps
ALE
I have included in PAM GUIDE the new models as follows:
PAM 424 O-series from SF w/ P.3000 Clone3 movement
Very nice watch and very well manufactured rep. With a new improved movement Clone3, although still with some silly flaws. Unfortunately, some evident flaws downgrade the evaluation of this First Class rep in relation with his borther PAM 448
PAM 425 O-series from SF w/ P.3000 Clone3 movement
Almost the same. Very nice watch and very well manufactured rep. With a new improved movement Clone3, although still with some silly flaws. Unfortunately, some evident flaws downgrade the evaluation of this First Class rep in relation with his borther PAM 449. Maybe the less accurate of the “family†PAM 448-449-424 & 425.
Following the last releases of PAM 448 and PAM 449 and taking advantage of the new improved P.3000 Clone3 movement, this “family†is completed with the releases above mentioned:
Enjoy these new reps
ALE
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Update – 27 December 2014
New models included in PAM GUIDE:
PAM 372 FITTED WITH P.3000 CLONE3
SF maker version (the same as old Puretime) with the improved "jewels" decoration of P.3000 Clone3. Nive improvement but still inaccurate.
And three versions of PAM 518 and PAM 520 Radiomir 1940 Chrono 44mm
PAM 518 QUARTZ Version
PAM 520 QUARTZ Version
Low grade reps fitted with Japan Quartz movements. Nice and relatively cheap but without interest as reps.
PAM 518 wrongly marked O-series w/ Venus Seagull ST-19 (wrongly called Lemania)
PAM 520 wrongly marked O-series w/ Venus Seagull ST-19 (wrongly called Lemania)
Nicely made with inaccurate but reliable movement and full of flaws. Expensive and non interesting as reps
PAM 518 Q-series KW-V6Fac w/ Venus Seagull ST-19 (wrongly called Lemania)
PAM 520 Q-series KW-V6Fac w/ Venus Seagull ST-19 (wrongly called Lemania)
Very nicely made with awesome finÃsn and details. Fitted with inaccurate but very reliable movement. Still many flaws (even on dial) to be considered a First Class rep. Interesting for no picky people just looking for nice watches
PICS OF KW-V6Fac VERSION
Enjoy these new reps
ALE
New models included in PAM GUIDE:
PAM 372 FITTED WITH P.3000 CLONE3
SF maker version (the same as old Puretime) with the improved "jewels" decoration of P.3000 Clone3. Nive improvement but still inaccurate.
And three versions of PAM 518 and PAM 520 Radiomir 1940 Chrono 44mm
PAM 518 QUARTZ Version
PAM 520 QUARTZ Version
Low grade reps fitted with Japan Quartz movements. Nice and relatively cheap but without interest as reps.
PAM 518 wrongly marked O-series w/ Venus Seagull ST-19 (wrongly called Lemania)
PAM 520 wrongly marked O-series w/ Venus Seagull ST-19 (wrongly called Lemania)
Nicely made with inaccurate but reliable movement and full of flaws. Expensive and non interesting as reps
PAM 518 Q-series KW-V6Fac w/ Venus Seagull ST-19 (wrongly called Lemania)
PAM 520 Q-series KW-V6Fac w/ Venus Seagull ST-19 (wrongly called Lemania)
Very nicely made with awesome finÃsn and details. Fitted with inaccurate but very reliable movement. Still many flaws (even on dial) to be considered a First Class rep. Interesting for no picky people just looking for nice watches
PICS OF KW-V6Fac VERSION
Enjoy these new reps
ALE
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Update – 31 December 2014
New models included in PAM GUIDE:
PAM 389 O-series KW-V6Fac w/ P.9000 inverted layout decorated A7750
The awaited KW PAM 389. Fantastic quality, the best by far for the current PAM 389, but with a wrong case. It is a shame but we have lost a Super rep. Fitted with the inverted layout A7750 decorated movement.
PAM 389 O-series KW-V6Fac w/ P.9000 inverted layout decorated Seagull ST2555
The same match above commented but fitted with a Seagull ST2555. More accurate and more reliable and…. about 100 USD cheaper !!!. a true bargain, and hence the best option for a PAM 389 at this moment (despite the wrong case)
PAM 375 O-series SF Titanium + DLC w/ P.3000 Clone4
Fitted with P.3000 Clone4 movement, the most accurate rep movement of P.3000 so far. But this rep has flaws enough to adding nothing over the current best versions. Useless release
PAM 499 Q-series ZFac w/non-inverted ZP9000-V2- Sept 2014
The new white dialled from Officine Panerai. In a case LUMINOR 1950 type. A new alternative for white dial fans. Nice rep of very good quality and awesome finish accurate enough to be a best seller.
Enjoy these new watches
ALE
New models included in PAM GUIDE:
PAM 389 O-series KW-V6Fac w/ P.9000 inverted layout decorated A7750
The awaited KW PAM 389. Fantastic quality, the best by far for the current PAM 389, but with a wrong case. It is a shame but we have lost a Super rep. Fitted with the inverted layout A7750 decorated movement.
PAM 389 O-series KW-V6Fac w/ P.9000 inverted layout decorated Seagull ST2555
The same match above commented but fitted with a Seagull ST2555. More accurate and more reliable and…. about 100 USD cheaper !!!. a true bargain, and hence the best option for a PAM 389 at this moment (despite the wrong case)
PAM 375 O-series SF Titanium + DLC w/ P.3000 Clone4
Fitted with P.3000 Clone4 movement, the most accurate rep movement of P.3000 so far. But this rep has flaws enough to adding nothing over the current best versions. Useless release
PAM 499 Q-series ZFac w/non-inverted ZP9000-V2- Sept 2014
The new white dialled from Officine Panerai. In a case LUMINOR 1950 type. A new alternative for white dial fans. Nice rep of very good quality and awesome finish accurate enough to be a best seller.
Enjoy these new watches
ALE
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Update – 04 January 2015
New models included in PAM GUIDE:
The first PAM LUMINOR MARINA 1950 3 Days Automatic 42mm
Interesting versions:
PAM 392 O-series with P.9000 decorated A7705 inverted layout
Better quality than expected from first pics, but really inaccurate CG and ugly level detached from the case.
PAM 393 O-series with P.9000 decorated A7750 inverted layout
Better quality than expected from first pics, but really inaccurate CG and ugly level detached from the case. Caseback engravings are also inaccurate.
Low grade versions:
PAM 392 w/o series engraving with A23J
Rep version without pretentions having wrong date wheel and caseback with neutral 000000 engravings and without production number. Movement obviously completely different from the gen. No interesting Low grade rep
PAM 393 P-series ZFac with decorated A7750 non-inverted ZP9000-V2- WRONG CASE 44mm
A “fantasy” watch since it is made from the 44mm Luminor 1950 case, therefore with 44mm instead of 42mm. This watch is Low grade as rep. No interesting
Enjoy these new reps
ALE
New models included in PAM GUIDE:
The first PAM LUMINOR MARINA 1950 3 Days Automatic 42mm
Interesting versions:
PAM 392 O-series with P.9000 decorated A7705 inverted layout
Better quality than expected from first pics, but really inaccurate CG and ugly level detached from the case.
PAM 393 O-series with P.9000 decorated A7750 inverted layout
Better quality than expected from first pics, but really inaccurate CG and ugly level detached from the case. Caseback engravings are also inaccurate.
Low grade versions:
PAM 392 w/o series engraving with A23J
Rep version without pretentions having wrong date wheel and caseback with neutral 000000 engravings and without production number. Movement obviously completely different from the gen. No interesting Low grade rep
PAM 393 P-series ZFac with decorated A7750 non-inverted ZP9000-V2- WRONG CASE 44mm
A “fantasy” watch since it is made from the 44mm Luminor 1950 case, therefore with 44mm instead of 42mm. This watch is Low grade as rep. No interesting
Enjoy these new reps
ALE
Here's a question about older models
Do they have to revaluated sometime in the future?
For example : the famous and so much loved 288k was a super rep back in 2012.
If it was released today that we have new factories, maybe new standards, maybe new criterias would we still call it a "super rep"?
How about the 000 or the 187?
Can the all keep the" title " of the super rep?
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Do they have to revaluated sometime in the future?
For example : the famous and so much loved 288k was a super rep back in 2012.
If it was released today that we have new factories, maybe new standards, maybe new criterias would we still call it a "super rep"?
How about the 000 or the 187?
Can the all keep the" title " of the super rep?
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Thanks panasol
This is a very interesting matter
Indeed I have thought about that many times last year
PAM 187 was already downgraded due to non-recessed subdials and hand lume colour
PAM 000 and 005 should be downgraded a bit due to inaccurate sausage dials , and many other evaluations should be reconsidered under the point of view of new rep quality standards
IMO PAM 288 H maker continues being a Super rep
It is just a matter of time
Many new reps to be added, reviewed and evaluated. I have no time for more things. LOL
But this is an interesting subject to be considered asap
Thanks again for your proposal
ALE
I totally understand how much time this guide needs even for small "fixes"
Sometimes I believe that there's an ALE75 and another ALE75 so that's the nickname (ale7575)
I thought that 187 was still a super rep..
I see that you skipped a comment for the 288
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Sometimes I believe that there's an ALE75 and another ALE75 so that's the nickname (ale7575
) I thought that 187 was still a super rep..
I see that you skipped a comment for the 288
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Hi ALE,
I looked through the PAM guide and did not see a review for the PAM 599. Is that forthcoming? Unless I missed it?
I looked through the PAM guide and did not see a review for the PAM 599. Is that forthcoming? Unless I missed it?
In the last days, Sead from Supermirrors has announced some updates from H Factory. I don't know the details of those updates. These are the links:
pam390, pam367, pam417, pam366
pam114, pam112, pam318
I have just seen that user rhaykal has opened a new thread about this theme. Click here to go the that thread.
pam390, pam367, pam417, pam366
pam114, pam112, pam318
I have just seen that user rhaykal has opened a new thread about this theme. Click here to go the that thread.
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Hi guys
Please bear in mind that the reps you are talking about are JUST released and, besides, together with dozens of new reps at the same time
Please understand it is impossible to get all the necessary info for a correct evaluation
H maker and new KW-V6Fac cases seem really good from the available pics. I would say that shaoe is superior than Noob V3. PAM 390 Noob case is very similar to the new releases.
I would like to know about the finish, crystal and CG lever working.
It is very important to check the improvements in the movements
ALE
Please bear in mind that the reps you are talking about are JUST released and, besides, together with dozens of new reps at the same time
Please understand it is impossible to get all the necessary info for a correct evaluation
H maker and new KW-V6Fac cases seem really good from the available pics. I would say that shaoe is superior than Noob V3. PAM 390 Noob case is very similar to the new releases.
I would like to know about the finish, crystal and CG lever working.
It is very important to check the improvements in the movements
ALE
Will be looking forward to hear frm you regarding the new PAM532 (http://www.pure-time.com/product/pa...dition-on-brown-asso-strap-p3000-super-clone/)
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Update – 1 Mars 2015
New models included in PAM GUIDE:
PAM 360 KW V4
A new version with the same dial as previsous versions and case and DLC colour improved. It is a shame a really big CP
PAM 448 O-series ZFac w/P.3000 Clone4
A New version of PAM 448 fitted with Clone4 version, nicely made with accurate dial and improved movement. But SF case and finish seem a bit better
PAM 449 O-series SF w/P.3000 Clone3
An interesting improvement on this rep, which gets a new P.3000 Clone3 with better “jewels” decoration. Unfortunately not as good placement of “jewels” as Clone4 has. Should we wait for the Clone4 version?
PAM 292 H maker J-series and N-series V2 version 2015
The best alternative to PAM 292 Noob J-series out of production nowadays. Improved ceramic case but the same dial as previous H maker version.
Just a little inferior quality as Noob
The only solution waiting for a new release of Noob
PAM 441 O-series ZFac ceramic w/A7750 non-inverted ZP9001-V2
The same case as previous inverted movement version but with a new movement with correct non-inverted layout. Ugly false power reserve indicator but nice inscriptions
PAM 441 O-series KW-V6Fac ceramic w/A7750 non-inverted ZP9001-V2
The same case as previous inverted movement version but with a new movement with correct non-inverted layout. Nice false power reserve indicator, overall better finish and accuracy but worse inscriptions than Zfac version
The best option from February 2015 together with below Seagull non-inverted version
PAM 441 O-series KW-V6Fac ceramic w/Seagull non-inverted ZP9001-Seagull V2
The same case as previous inverted movement version but with a new movement Seagull ST2555 based and with correct non-inverted layout. Balance wheel @6 (closer to gen @7), nice false power reserve indicator, overall better finish and accuracy but worse inscriptions than Zfac version.
The best option from February 2015 together with above A7750 non-inverted version. But really cheaper !! A very advisable purchase !
Enjoy the new reps
ALE
New models included in PAM GUIDE:
PAM 360 KW V4
A new version with the same dial as previsous versions and case and DLC colour improved. It is a shame a really big CP
PAM 448 O-series ZFac w/P.3000 Clone4
A New version of PAM 448 fitted with Clone4 version, nicely made with accurate dial and improved movement. But SF case and finish seem a bit better
PAM 449 O-series SF w/P.3000 Clone3
An interesting improvement on this rep, which gets a new P.3000 Clone3 with better “jewels” decoration. Unfortunately not as good placement of “jewels” as Clone4 has. Should we wait for the Clone4 version?
PAM 292 H maker J-series and N-series V2 version 2015
The best alternative to PAM 292 Noob J-series out of production nowadays. Improved ceramic case but the same dial as previous H maker version.
Just a little inferior quality as Noob
The only solution waiting for a new release of Noob
PAM 441 O-series ZFac ceramic w/A7750 non-inverted ZP9001-V2
The same case as previous inverted movement version but with a new movement with correct non-inverted layout. Ugly false power reserve indicator but nice inscriptions
PAM 441 O-series KW-V6Fac ceramic w/A7750 non-inverted ZP9001-V2
The same case as previous inverted movement version but with a new movement with correct non-inverted layout. Nice false power reserve indicator, overall better finish and accuracy but worse inscriptions than Zfac version
The best option from February 2015 together with below Seagull non-inverted version
PAM 441 O-series KW-V6Fac ceramic w/Seagull non-inverted ZP9001-Seagull V2
The same case as previous inverted movement version but with a new movement Seagull ST2555 based and with correct non-inverted layout. Balance wheel @6 (closer to gen @7), nice false power reserve indicator, overall better finish and accuracy but worse inscriptions than Zfac version.
The best option from February 2015 together with above A7750 non-inverted version. But really cheaper !! A very advisable purchase !
Enjoy the new reps
ALE
WOW! Just.... WOW!!!
ALE your guide helped me pick my first PAM 111 and im sure its the case for many others on this forum.
Im amazed of the passion and time you put into this. Huge amount of things to learn and I will always check this guide when buying a new Panerai rep (Oh yes there will be more)
Thanks!
ALE your guide helped me pick my first PAM 111 and im sure its the case for many others on this forum.
Im amazed of the passion and time you put into this. Huge amount of things to learn and I will always check this guide when buying a new Panerai rep (Oh yes there will be more)
Thanks!