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Servicing a VR3235 movement (my first attempt at servicing a movement).

dogwood

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SUCCESS!!!!!!!

It was the geometry of the Clarks pallet fork that was the problem!!!!

So... john doe iii sold me a spare VR3235 movement that he had sitting around, and it arrived today. Unfortunately, the movement had taken a few bumps during shipment and it didn't actually work when I pulled it out of the packaging. NB: I don't think this was John Doe's fault, the movement was packaged in bubble wrap, but it had slid out and was floating around in the box. Initially I was a bit bummed since I wouldn't be able to see a functioning movement to see how the pallet fork engaged / disengaged with the escape wheel. But... I reasoned that it was unlikely that the pallet fork in John's movement had been damaged, so I decided to test simply swapping it out of John's movement and putting it into my movement to replace the Clarks pallet fork which I'd purchased on eBay.

I got John's pallet fork installed and even before I had replaced the pallet bridge, I could tell it looked like it engaged the escape wheel more symmetrically. I put the rest of the balance assembly back into place and gave the crown a bit of a wind... and wouldn't you know it, the balance started swinging. And I mean swinging properly. Not the anemic 90 degrees I was getting before. No... I was getting a nice healthy swagger of a swing.

I put the movement on my timegrapher and it was a thing of beauty! Would you take a look at that:
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Three beautiful distinct lumps in both the tick and the tock... and an amplitude of 230 degrees (and that's with very little energy in the mainspring).

I put the movement under the digital microscope and took a few pics to see just how the pallet stones were locking compared to before, and sure enough, both of the stones were now engaging the escape wheel nicely on the locking faces.
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So now I have a still somewhat disassembled (but nonetheless working) movement!!! I couldn't be happier. But not just happy because I have a working movement... hell for the price of the tools and parts I've purchased to "service" my movement, I could have bought three new movements... I'm happy because I've learned a ton! And, I had a hunch that it was the pallet fork geometry that was messing up the movement, and I strongly suspected it was the Clarks pallet fork; and wouldn't you know it, that hunch turned out to be right.

So, now I just need to re-assemble the rest of the movement and get it cased back up. Happy times ahead!!!

Thanks everybody for coming along for the ride and for all the help along the way!
 
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Enee

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I just wanted to thank you for all these posts and all the pictures. I’ve enjoyed following along and it’s motivated me to learn more as well.
 
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Fantastic, mate. Great outcome, and thanks for sharing the journey.
 
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Lozz

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Some really great information, thanks for sharing. dogwood What microphone are you using with the Tg software?
 

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Where does this part go, I’m stuck.
 

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Great,thank you, do you have a complete set of drawings ?
Thanks
Paul
 

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The watch was quite new... only a few months. And it didn't need a service. It kept very good time. However, I needed a movement to practice on, and the Unitas 6497 movement that I ordered on AliExpress was (and still is) stuck in customs for some reason. Since the DJ41 was the rep in my collection which got the least wrist time, I figured I would miss it the least if I broke something and had to order a replacement VR3235 movement.

By way of an update: The replacement screws arrived from Perrin a few days ago, and I was able to continue to the re-assembly. However, when I re-assembling the date and motion works, the date quick change wasn't working properly. I partially disassembled the date works so I could see the date yoke moving against the cam. There's a tiny jewel roller on the date yoke which ride around the cam. As I moved the crown, I didn't realize that the second the date quick change would engage, there would be lots of motion and high forces on this little jewel. Without a cover on top of it, it went flying. The jewel is tiny -- like 1.2mm in diameter with a 0.2mm hole. And unlike the screw from earlier that I lost, rubies aren't magnetic. I instantly knew that I needed to order a replacement. So back to Perrin I went and ordered 100 random rolex jewels. I am learning... slowly.
Hey dogwood-
Found this thread while searching the literal same thing happening to me, except with a VS3235. Happen to know the jewel measurements? If not- happen to know which assorted jewels you bought from Perrin? Seeing a few different assorted packages.

Thank you!
 

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Hey dogwood-
Found this thread while searching the literal same thing happening to me, except with a VS3235. Happen to know the jewel measurements? If not- happen to know which assorted jewels you bought from Perrin? Seeing a few different assorted packages.

Thank you!
I can’t remember the jewel size. Nor can I remember which assorted jewels thing I bought. But it was early in my watchmaking journey, so I suspect I bought a relatively cheap assorted set because back then I wouldn’t have been as committed yet, so I’d have probably chosen a lower cost option.
 

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I can’t remember the jewel size. Nor can I remember which assorted jewels thing I bought. But it was early in my watchmaking journey, so I suspect I bought a relatively cheap assorted set because back then I wouldn’t have been as committed yet, so I’d have probably chosen a lower cost option.
No worries, apologies for reviving the dead post- like I said happen to have the same problem and stumbled upon the post. But thank you!