"RWI" branded watch by Luthier

[trailboss99]

Hell, I've been arguing with Luthier ever since I did my time as a Mod over there and we both left for not such different reasons. But I still stick my nose in every now and then and have been watching this venture unfold.

I disagree with almost everything Luthier says when it comes to politics or social issues but when it comes to business or guitars, I would trust him with my life savings (well, almost). And everything he's done on this project has been way above board. To compare this to any previous watch run that went bad is just wrong. He's done this whole project out of his own pocket and not asked for a dime from anyone. Sub, on this one you're just plain wrong.

:beatahorse:

^^^^^ This ^^^^^^
As these two are hardly "pals" you take that as a ringing endorsement.

Sub I don't pull you up very often but this time you are just so wrong. You are also deliberately trying to get a rise of Luth and to his credit he's not playing. A few points:

This is not some two bit factory, they do indeed make components including case sets for Swiss brands selling for north of the 5k mark.

Luth knows China, he in fact owns a couple of factories there so he knows how it all works. He has visited this factory several times as well as the movement makers and other component suppliers. The amount of work both he and Solks have put into this is immense, it's the larger part of over a year of his life so far.

Yes the bracelet is unique, it involves a dozen different moulds on it's own as well as the rubber midlinks.

The MVT is not some crappy 7753, it's the best grade available out of China and is used in some reasonably expensive watches.

I am convinced knowing what a pendant for perfection that Luth is that this watch will be the equal of stuff selling for far more than it's price.

I disagree with Luth on a lot of stuff and have reason to pull him up for stuff he's said/done on occasion but let me tell you this, Luth's honour, trust and integrity are beyond doubt. I would trust the man with both my life and my life savings and I honestly mean that.

Feel free to disagree with Luth's politics and beliefs but don't you dare cast doubts on the man himself or his ability to pull this off and do it well. If you really must start an argument with the man argue immigration, illegals, gays or politics. I'm sure you will find plenty of ammunition there and that time you may actually be right but you sure ain't here.

 

[KBH]

KBH, what exactly are you accusing me of being wrong about??

I didn't make any acusations.

You've been questioning his integrity for that last several pages.

Can't you EVER, not need to have the last word about everything?

I'm sure you're a very nice person, but that is a very annoying trait of yours. I'll (yawn) expect to hear your reply within the next 10 minutes. (yawn)

 

[TESLA760]

I like both of you guys. Sub and Luth. I think you're both wasting your energy fighting with each other. Sub, I don't know Luth as long as others, but the guy is not a flake. We communicate outside this forum, and I too trust him. As I would you. Not sure why you picked him as a target, but I think your attacks are misdirected this time. I share KBH's thoughts on this.

 

[mitchbaria]

I read the thread over there and came to same conclusion. If Luthier would turn down the intensity a notch or two he seems like he's probably not a bad guy. I don't want anything as much as luth wants to be right about everything.

I think that's the thing,,, some of us newer guys didn't have a clue who Luth was till BAM! In your face, here out of nowhere and all this baggage that follows but it's a free world and I'm sure he has his reasons for switching boards..I really like the looks of the design of the watch and there's alot of love in it's planning so I for one hope it all goes well but I also understand some members, especially subs, skepticisms and have to admit because of the concerns that are REAL, i think any talk or plans or list or anything else concerning another project until this one is complete is just plain silly...

 

[sub4me]

I think that's the thing,,, some of us newer guys didn't have a clue who Luth was till BAM! In your face, here out of nowhere and all this baggage that follows but it's a free world and I'm sure he has his reasons for switching boards..I really like the looks of the design of the watch and there's alot of love in it's planning so I for one hope it all goes well but I also understand some members, especially subs, skepticisms and have to admit because of the concerns that are REAL, i think any talk or plans or list or anything else concerning another project until this one is complete is just plain silly...

Exactly, look guys I'm a bit busy this evening but I will entertain this again later but one more thing before I go. I did NOT attack his integrity or him as a person.

 

[acharria]

I really think the RWI watch is crap..

what I want to see and think is time to be.. is a real Luthier's brand.. after that we can think in a RWI special/limited edition or something...

but again Luthier, you are making great designs, and they deserve his "own" brand, as a custom/little/hobbie strap maker, I think my brand is something sacred..

good luck.. and I can't wait to get my 075 blue..
cheers

 

[trailboss99]

I did NOT attack his integrity or him as a person.

Really???

wasn't the bracelet off the shelf or are you claiming you designed that as well??

Next you'll be telling us your making no money from this LMFAO, and your not trying to use the RWG brand name and it members to do it, you know with a captive audience and all.

Bullshit, I ain't buying your not making money, thats just a load.

Your last post sounds like a big load of salesmens BS to me

I don't see any pics of your watch here. I wonder why?? I mean its your Swiss factory in China producing you watch to your exact specfications right??

So your pushing your watch with box for almost $300 from a Swiss made China factory that specilizes in $3.00 watches?? Thats funny.

 

[RWIGWH]

I always liked Luth...And I always liked Sub. Two good guys with good intention in my opinion. I'd have no problem buying a watch made by Luth.

 

[REDCELL]

Soooooo.....You guys think Noob will rep the RWG?

 

[Frazzle]

Luth, can I just say as a RWG member and one in line for a RWG watch, thank you so much for the time and effort! It goes without saying that RWG is somewhat lacking without you over there. Maybe one day you'll come back?! Anyway, look forward to seeing my RWG watch next month and thanks again

 

[rhp1462]

Soooooo.....You guys think Noob will rep the RWG?

1:1 edition with real watch as model.


Sent from 1:1 app made with gen tapatalk

 

[sub4me]

Alright I'm back, sorry to post and leave so quickly but I had to get a tow truck for a family member and deal with that bullshit.

I'm not gonna go over everyones responses one by one but let me address TB first. I don't consider any of my quotes as personal attacks towards Luth or attacking his integrity, infact I have more then once commented that I like his design and hoped it worked out for him. I don't think my comments are outta line with the possabilties of what may or may not happen.

Either way like me or not I'm gonna post my thoughts and I did. Now I may come off as harsh, some guys like the soft approach, I don't, I'm much more direct and that's not gonna change and in my defense Luth is not the kindest guy around and often is very abrasive to others.

Whatever comes of his watch doesn't effect me either way but I'm very suspect when it comes to members trying to make funds off our forums. I think its in bad taste, imagine if every member was hocking something here. Theres a lot of guys in their own business here and most of them aren't pushing their stuff here.

I just don't like it and to say theres no funds being made to me sounds untruthful, sorry but I don't buy it.

 

[WingNut]

opcorn: I saw this shit coming...points well taken on both sides...this is playing right into the hands of those that are trying to bring us down....please remember R2's post......:cheers:

 

[TESLA760]

Sub, rinse the sand out of your vag :sub4me:

 

[smokiedabong]

I understand that nobody paid upfront for this watch, it's all Luth's investment and work, so where's the problem? That he's trying to sell a product to the forum? From the specs it seems like a damn nice product and I'm sure better in quality and control than some reps you're buying for much more money just because it has AP or some other BS name on the dial but it's a crap product.
He could've named the watch anything and have no problems selling a lot more units for more money around all the watch forums. There is no other watch similar spec'd selling for so low, look at all the other small companies selling asian 7750 for twice as much, hell, there are small projects on watch forums selling quartz watches for $500 and people still buy them. I think Luth should just start his own brand than put up with this BS.

 

[trailboss99]

Either way like me or not

Of cause I like you ya git! If I didn't you wouldn't still be here.
You are however outa line this time.

How exactly is implying that a man is lying not attacking his integrity?

 

[mitchbaria]

I would suggest dress watch with 2836-2

let me suggest Boss that checking back to the start of this thread in April, Luth hadn't been here very long when talk of him producing a RWI watch started and rightfully so you intervened and said to let him finish what he started at RWG before he started talks of a RWI watch and his response to you was this would just be a head count to gage interest while he's finishing up the RWG watch and delivering it. Since then it seems to me the design of the RWG watch has completely changed and now at the end of June there's still this thread and controversy and in Subs defense there's still no RWG watch.... Now in Luth's defense in reading this thread I've seen a tentative release date as late as August,,,but Boss that's not very far away and I'd bet this project has already ran far behind it's original promise which may have something to do with Luth being here instead of RWG, even though the good folks at RWG are very patient and trusting of Luth to deliver as promised.. Also it's been pointed out many times that the RWG watch is being totally financed by Luth therefore any and all of the risk associated with the project is totally on Luth so why should anyone be concerned? But to highlight one of Subs concerns is that since Luth has been here Sub and I both have noticed Luth's seeming open contempt for RWG, now I can't speak for Sub but Luth's openly negative comments prompted me to search through the RWG database to try and find a dispute or anything that would have caused a longtime, well respected member to jump ship and post negative comments and I wasn't able to find anything, in fact this watch project had Luth the center of attention.....
To go out on a limb here I think that if Subs concerns seem personal as you've pointed out that maybe some of Luth's behavior since he left RWG and before could be the reason for it...
In no way am I suggesting that Luth has done anything wrong or that he will fail to deliver the RWG watch as promised.... I am however stating the obvious and asking you to consider that Luth is a very large presence and has put himself front and center for questions that only our beloved Sub would walk right into.....

 

[oscarmadfish]

so who does the best sub ?

 

[sub4me]

Of cause I like you ya git! If I didn't you wouldn't still be here.

Understood Boss.

You are however outa line this time.

Maybe I am but someones got to ask the hard hitting questions LOL, there are no assurances of anything here, this whole thing could be a mess for Luth, and lets just say things do go bad with the watches after delivery. Is Luth prepared to offer warranties and fix problems, make refunds for unhappy customers who didn't get what was expected, pay for shipping and repairs, and what about watches that can't be repaired and can't be replaced due to limited numbers, will they be refunded or ignored, and if there is a warranty what are the terms??

You see even with the best intentions things can go wrong fast, just ask PT about his nightmare last year and I'm pretty sure PT is a lot closer and has better relationships then Luth does over there.

How exactly is implying that a man is lying not attacking his integrity?

To be clear I'm Not stating Luth is delibraty lying, perhaps hes being lied to and doesn't realize it, which I'm stating as a possabilty not an implication or attack of his integrity.

I do realize many of you think and maybe even believe I'm vicious to Luth, I would ask that you put your opinions of me aside and just think about the points I made, take Luth out of the equation as well and imagine him as just another seller making promises.

mitch, I respect your point of view on this and I'm a bit shocked that others didn't realize this as well.

Bottom line is I of course would like to see Luths project work out well for RWG and maybe even a RWI watch. I've also complimated Luth on the design of the case and said I liked it.

 

[WingNut]

I understand that nobody paid upfront for this watch, it's all Luth's investment and work, so where's the problem? That he's trying to sell a product to the forum? From the specs it seems like a damn nice product and I'm sure better in quality and control than some reps you're buying for much more money just because it has AP or some other BS name on the dial but it's a crap product.
He could've named the watch anything and have no problems selling a lot more units for more money around all the watch forums. There is no other watch similar spec'd selling for so low, look at all the other small companies selling asian 7750 for twice as much, hell, there are small projects on watch forums selling quartz watches for $500 and people still buy them. I think Luth should just start his own brand than put up with this BS.

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