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RM 11-03 Mclaren ABD/ZF a story to follow ...

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Precisely. That sums up exactly why asuwere is wasting his and everybody else's time with his over-blown DIY episodes of "How It's Made".

Haha, I love How It’s Made. There’s a kids version called Do You Know and I’m a little bit in love with the presenter Maddie :wub:, just thought I’d share that with you all.

Anyway, back on topic, I can see what asuwere is pointing out, like the last little section at the bottom edge of the bezel looks like different layers, BUT I think his explanation is a bit far fetched and would indeed be more effort than just using all one type of carbon. At least my initial assumption of Z+F case with totally custom bezel made sense, but even I can now see it’s a custom case and bezel. Imperfections in the layers maybe, who knows, who cares, I love my Z+F but the layers ain’t perfect, as everyone is pointing out you have to be realistic with what we’re paying for these watches.

That said, we still don’t know what this latest ABD costs, so hard to comment. I’d like to point out that my issues with ABD started back when they were hand sanding stock rep bezels to get the gen like finish, and it did look great, but wasn’t worth the price they were charging (in my opinion) as much as the work was skilled and looked good, you still essentially had a Z factory watch with all its other flaws. What they are doing now is nothing like that, it’s proper custom ground up case work. That is understandable to charge for. I’ve paid close to $800 just for a Rolex dial from Phong before now because they are custom and absolutely beautiful!!

So, we await prices, but as far as the product I have no issues here now!

The RM011s.... that’s maybe another matter! Hopefully they are looking into custome RM011 cases too and can make that rep thinner, as the KVF is like a box on your wrist!

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That said, we still don’t know what this latest ABD costs, so hard to comment. I’d like to point out that my issues with ABD started back when they were hand sanding stock rep bezels to get the gen like finish, and it did look great, but wasn’t worth the price they were charging (in my opinion) as much as the work was skilled and looked good, you still essentially had a Z factory watch with all its other flaws. What they are doing now is nothing like that, it’s proper custom ground up case work. That is understandable to charge for. I’ve paid close to $800 just for a Rolex dial from Phong before now because they are custom and absolutely beautiful!!

I agree with this. I can off course understand that this forum accounts for very little of ABD's income and therefore our opinion isn't of such importance. But If ABD had pricing lists visible with info on what you get, then that would be better for many of us on this forum. I can also understand if this is challenging for them because they have a lot of changes and development. But as a consumer it can be a bit confusing if it isn't listed systematically.

I must also add, that i respect that Aurasash has been so open and confronted the questions and all. That's a good thing.
 

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I agree with this. I can off course understand that this forum accounts for very little of ABD's income and therefore our opinion isn't of such importance. But If ABD had pricing lists visible with info on what you get, then that would be better for many of us on this forum. I can also understand if this is challenging for them because they have a lot of changes and development. But as a consumer it can be a bit confusing if it isn't listed systematically.

I must also add, that i respect that Aurasash has been so open and confronted the questions and all. That's a good thing.

He could still do with reigning in his attitude a little, but yeah I’m glad he’s finally addressing the concerns.

If we’re all so insignificant to their business though it makes you wonder why we’ve gotten under his skin so much?!?

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He could still do with reigning in his attitude a little, but yeah I’m glad he’s finally addressing the concerns.

If we’re all so insignificant to their business though it makes you wonder why we’ve gotten under his skin so much?!?

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Well we have to remember that he is public about his work and he deals with these kind of questions, scammers etc on many platforms especially at WeChat plus he is a hard working busy man so i think that is expected from him. I'm glad aswell that he is answering peoples questions as much as he can.
 
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ABD needs to pull his head out of his ass. All you need to say when I ask you is "that's going to cost $xxx extra for what you want". Then I consider and make the decision. How hard is that? I can pay whatever if the value proposition is right. Did you hear me complain about prices? No. Your attitude is the problem. Show your prices. Show what you did. Don't try to cloak your products in some mysterious veil like you've got the magic sauce or something.
 

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He could still do with reigning in his attitude a little, but yeah I’m glad he’s finally addressing the concerns.

If we’re all so insignificant to their business though it makes you wonder why we’ve gotten under his skin so much?!?

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Because of the baseless n nonsensical assumptions n accusations


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ABD needs to pull his head out of his ass. All you need to say when I ask you is "that's going to cost $xxx extra for what you want". Then I consider and make the decision. How hard is that? I can pay whatever if the value proposition is right. Did you hear me complain about prices? No. Your attitude is the problem. Show your prices. Show what you did. Don't try to cloak your products in some mysterious veil like you've got the magic sauce or something.

Wow with your such comment u expect me to further communicate w you? Use some of your pea-sized bird brain of yours to think, if I’m were to use that Swiss carbon is it only you were selling to? You maybe able to afford but not the rest. DUH so don’t try to constantly come up with trick statements. Show my prices show what I did. I don’t need to show u anything. If this is the attitude then I’m more than happy to exit this forum cos trying to demand something when you’re not entitled to it is so laughable. For you the price will be $0 and I do mean it if you want to see n compare it so much.

I never say I have any magic sauce but wtf should I educate ANYONE how we create them? U dumb or dumber? Both I Guess. Not gonna reply to your self entitled shit anymore you can go buy gen or start a factory yourself.


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Because of the baseless n nonsensical assumptions n accusations


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Agree there is some amusing suggestions being made now, I want it on record that I didn’t start that and don’t agree with it. I think your current RM035 looks great.

Still be nice to know ballpark cost, I appreciate there are other options like clear jewel mod and for some reason making the gear at 12 o’clock black (?) but let’s say the watch pictured earlier in this thread with both those mods, what are we talking? $1,000?

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He could still do with reigning in his attitude a little, but yeah I’m glad he’s finally addressing the concerns.

If we’re all so insignificant to their business though it makes you wonder why we’ve gotten under his skin so much?!?

DC

Have not forgotten about you will definitely get back to you!! But on a kinder note. Lol


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ABD needs to pull his head out of his ass. All you need to say when I ask you is "that's going to cost $xxx extra for what you want". Then I consider and make the decision. How hard is that? I can pay whatever if the value proposition is right. Did you hear me complain about prices? No. Your attitude is the problem. Show your prices. Show what you did. Don't try to cloak your products in some mysterious veil like you've got the magic sauce or something.

And last, I’m not here to solicit business. I’ve to abide to the rules so don’t ask me to show the prices here. I’m simply a member here not as a trusted modder so shoooo off and spend 130k on a gen. I could sell you my gen if you want but nah I Guess you have bones to pick on it as well.


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U dumb or dumber? Both I Guess. Not gonna reply to your self entitled shit anymore you can go buy gen or start a factory yourself.

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This is the kind of language that is unnecessary and will get you in to trouble here. Take the moral high ground, be the bigger man, you don’t have to call someone dumb and swear at them just because they don’t agree with you. This doesn’t help make your point, it just makes you look unpleasant and damages your slowly improving reputation!!

He is not the only person on this forum, lots of us want to engage in a productive and sensible manner with you. Stop swearing at people and have a conversation with the rest of us if you don’t want to talk to him anymore!!!

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All you need to say when I ask you is "that's going to cost $xxx extra for what you want". Then I consider and make the decision. How hard is that? I can pay whatever if the value proposition is right.
Ah, so all you're asking is for the right to a full custom-made service, tailored to your exact specification. Well, what's unreasonable about that?

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Wow with your such comment u expect me to further communicate w you? Use some of your pea-sized bird brain of yours to think, if I’m were to use that Swiss carbon is it only you were selling to? You maybe able to afford but not the rest. DUH so don’t try to constantly come up with trick statements. Show my prices show what I did. I don’t need to show u anything. If this is the attitude then I’m more than happy to exit this forum cos trying to demand something when you’re not entitled to it is so laughable. For you the price will be $0 and I do mean it if you want to see n compare it so much.

I never say I have any magic sauce but wtf should I educate ANYONE how we create them? U dumb or dumber? Both I Guess. Not gonna reply to your self entitled shit anymore you can go buy gen or start a factory yourself.


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Your little rice brain is having a meltdown I can see. Listen, you know what a "store" is, right? They sell stuff and have product listings with descriptions and prices. It's a really interesting concept that I suggest you research a bit.
 

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This is the kind of language that is unnecessary and will get you in to trouble here. Take the moral high ground, be the bigger man, you don’t have to call someone dumb and swear at them just because they don’t agree with you. This doesn’t help make your point, it just makes you look unpleasant and damages your slowly improving reputation!!

He is not the only person on this forum, lots of us want to engage in a productive and sensible manner with you. Stop swearing at people and have a conversation with the rest of us if you don’t want to talk to him anymore!!!

DC

What about me calling you to pull your head outta your ass hahahahhaha


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Your little rice brain is having a meltdown I can see. Listen, you know what a "store" is, right? They sell stuff and have product listings with descriptions and prices. It's a really interesting concept that I suggest you research a bit.

Rice brain? Being racist now? I don’t need you to tell me but we have a store in WeChat but I Guess you’re not entitled to it. DUH


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Your little rice brain is having a meltdown I can see. Listen, you know what a "store" is, right? They sell stuff and have product listings with descriptions and prices. It's a really interesting concept that I suggest you research a bit.

I see your truee colors, shining through ~

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What about me calling you to pull your head outta your ass hahahahhaha


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I’m not a mod here so I’m not about to hand out reprimands, but generally if someone says something nasty to you the best way to combat it is to be nice to them. Shouting back will only end in a ban for one or both parties!!

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Your little rice brain is having a meltdown I can see. Listen, you know what a "store" is, right? They sell stuff and have product listings with descriptions and prices. It's a really interesting concept that I suggest you research a bit.

Again, like I said to Aurasash, I’m not a mod, but you’ve gone too far here mate!

This conversation has gone way beyond productive debate and entered into slagging match territory. This thread will get closed if this carries on, I think the Frenchman made himself pretty clear earlier on about this!!!!!!

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lol. Well, technically a grain of rice is smaller than a pea. Aurasash can make me look like a fool. All he's got to do is post a photo of the underside of a bezel. Should take 60 seconds to put an end to this.