RAF 16610, New 5 Digit Factory

[Saggiolus]

to help the community I tell you that the problem was the badly printed vs data disc i installed a vr disk and now everything is perfect

Good to know!

 

[Saggiolus]

Where did you find the VR disk?

 

[Sundek]

Where did you find the VR disk?

A friend had one and he gave it to me but I think you can ask a td or the user who sells the movements on the market
next purchase are these so-called deep glasses I will try one on my lv

 

[Saggiolus]

A friend had one and he gave it to me but I think you can ask a td or the user who sells the movements on the market
next purchase are these so-called deep glasses I will try one on my lv

I went for prof. I installed Clark but I don’t like it so much. I think it’s a defective batch

 

[Sundek]

I went for prof. I installed Clark but I don’t like it so much. I think it’s a defective batch

I tried the prof's crystals they mark/scratch very easily and then they are not cheap I will try these new deep

 

[StreetFighter]

I bought gen crystal on ebay (auction) for about £28. It had a tiny mark on it that I cannot/will never see. Nothing beats gen. Even a gen with a chip is better than aftermarket.

 

[KushBandit]

I went for prof. I installed Clark but I don’t like it so much. I think it’s a defective batch

Clark crystals aren't too amazing to begin with, unfortunately. They were a great alternative to cloudy rep crystals years back, but today the rep crystals have surpassed them for the most part.

 

[Saggiolus]

Clark crystals aren't too amazing to begin with, unfortunately. They were a great alternative to cloudy rep crystals years back, but today the rep crystals have surpassed them for the most part.

The problem of the one i installed is the cyclop. It reflect the numbers twice when you twist your wrist

 

[KushBandit]

The problem of the one i installed is the cyclop. It reflect the numbers twice when you twist your wrist

Ahhh I see, that's pretty bad. Probably a bad batch, as you said. I haven't bought a Clark since covid lockdowns, so I'm not sure if the over all quality went down.

Honestly, if money isn't an issue, and you want to keep this watch, I say get a gen 295 crystal. I plan on it when I get my LN

 

[Saggiolus]

Ahhh I see, that's pretty bad. Probably a bad batch, as you said. I haven't bought a Clark since covid lockdowns, so I'm not sure if the over all quality went down.

Honestly, if money isn't an issue, and you want to keep this watch, I say get a gen 295 crystal. I plan on it when I get my LN

Honestly, side by side comparison gen on sun and prof on gmt….. I mean prof is really, really, really good

 

[KushBandit]

Honestly, side by side comparison gen on sun and prof on gmt….. I mean prof is really, really, really good

Prof crystals have been top notch for years, but a genuine non-AR 295 that you would find on a 16610 can be bought for $200, sometimes less if you're vigilant. A 6-digit 295-CAR are about $400, but I don't suggest that for a 5-digit.

Now, if you want an AR blackhole effect for the cyclops, or even 2x AR for a virtually invisible crystal, then I would agree on the Prof.

 

[Tucker]

The problem of the one i installed is the cyclop. It reflect the numbers twice when you twist your wrist

A gen non AR crystal on the 16610 makes a huge difference. I have both and I was surprised in the difference. Spend the cash.

 

[Saggiolus]

A gen non AR crystal on the 16610 makes a huge difference. I have both and I was surprised in the difference. Spend the cash.

Wonderful, if I can find one for less than 300 illl get it for sure

 

[heska]

Since ARF released the 16610 i was curious how the bracelet compared to JF. From what i saw on pictures it seemed to have a few upgrade.
So when @GIG sold his bracelet i took the opportunity.

TL;DR: it's (slighty) better.

Note: My JF has been worn quite a lot, and has been rebrushed by Jdepp. It was defintely not the best batch, as my bezel ring wasn't gen spec
The two clasp without bracelet are GEN, for ref.

You can see that links edges are sharper on RAF. The faux oyster link stamping on RAF clasp top seems more gen like than JF. Also crown on clasp doesn't seem off centered.

Clasp reference and clasp code on blade are now laser engraved, when they were stamped on JF. Still not very gen like but better.
Classic one step forward/one step backward: The inside of the clasp is now mirror polished on RAF, where it should be brushed

The pin that connect blade to clasp is too high on JF, correct on RAF
Also the back rounded part is weirdly shaped on JF

SEL is a bit better

One last note: Screws are not gen spec on JF, so you will need a gen spec screw if you want to mount a gen clasp

 

[heska]

Something interesting: in your bracelet the springbar that connect the bracelet to the clasp have the little groove in the center that GEN have. I think only TC - and only on some bracelet- replicated this

 

[GIG]

Something interesting: in your bracelet the springbar that connect the bracelet to the clasp have the little groove in the center that GEN have. I think only TC - and only on some bracelet- replicated this

His bracelet also seems to be chamfered.

 

[heska]

You're right. Looking at the clasp side shape and the stamped clasp code it looks like a JF bracelet.

 

[Sundek]

Hi everyone
Yesterday my little gem came back
i mounted movement vs
I have kept the stock crystal for the moment but I will change it
but above all my watchmaker made me a change to the bezel which now rotates in a gen like way
in short, very satisfied
ah I don't know if you noticed but the raf from the sub came out on trusty with rehaut rrr

 

[Saggiolus]

Hi everyone
Yesterday my little gem came back
i mounted movement vs
I have kept the stock crystal for the moment but I will change it
but above all my watchmaker made me a change to the bezel which now rotates in a gen like way
in short, very satisfied
ah I don't know if you noticed but the raf from the sub came out on trusty with rehaut rrr

which bezel did you install?

 

[Sundek]

which bezel did you install?

it's still the stock but my watchmaker made a change that I can't tell you maybe on the click spring or elsewhere but now it rotates much better and it no longer looks like a cheap component like before