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RAF 16610, New 5 Digit Factory
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GIG
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also for me the second one proposed, by the way always arf, still had the problem of the case crown gap, but I accepted it anyway I will have it fixed by my watchmaker, otherwise with the cny it would take too long
Hmmmm.... My RAF 16610LV has no issue with a case/crown gap. And those CGs look stumpy compared to mine or maybe it's the picture.
I've definitely seen some TDs selling "ARF" stickered 16610s and some selling "RAF" stickered 16610s.
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So you think there are actually 2 watches, RAF and ARF?Hmmmm.... My RAF 16610LV has no issue with a case/crown gap. And those CGs look stumpy compared to mine or maybe it's the picture.
I've definitely seen some TDs selling "ARF" stickered 16610s and some selling "RAF" stickered 16610s.
GIG
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I think TD sources are piecing these 16610s together with a mix of parts.
Some with a better end product then others.
My guess is production stopped last year when they ran low on certain components. IMHO
Mine has arrived today his morning, very quick.
First impression, bezel action is as everyone said - loose, flimsy and cheap. That when I compare it to my JF 16610LN.
I put a bit of dental floss under the bezel and that has tighten it up and a better feel to rotated.
We will so how it performs over the next couple days.
Can post Picts if you want.
First impression, bezel action is as everyone said - loose, flimsy and cheap. That when I compare it to my JF 16610LN.
I put a bit of dental floss under the bezel and that has tighten it up and a better feel to rotated.
We will so how it performs over the next couple days.
Can post Picts if you want.
KushBandit
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Thanks for the photos and for the contribution that all users are making.
Mine is already in my country and I hope it can be delivered next Friday.
I have already purchased vs movement and I already have a CF crystal anyway.
after all the comments on the bezel I will personally evaluate but I'm already thinking about getting a click spring bar after to replace the stock in case it doesn't make a good effect on me
Mine is already in my country and I hope it can be delivered next Friday.
I have already purchased vs movement and I already have a CF crystal anyway.
after all the comments on the bezel I will personally evaluate but I'm already thinking about getting a click spring bar after to replace the stock in case it doesn't make a good effect on me
KushBandit
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Thank you very much for the photos, I've emailed Ryan at Intime to see if he can get the rehaut version on the LN before I order. Date wheel isn't bad on yours, crystal is fairly good too. Wear it in good health!
Thanks to everyone for their photos as well, very helpful for us 5 digit fans. My wallet is about to be a bit lighter lol.
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The bezel shape and action is really off. Including the shape of the scallops, that are too sharp compared to gen. I posted a couple of side by side comparison. I ordered an aftermarket bezel and click spring and I hope it fit with no issues.
The other issue of this watch are the lugs. The shape is very off. Newer models have a much much better refined case shape.
mine arrived today
I confirm that the rotation of the bezel is really a bad thing
beyond the movement and the glass, I hope to solve this thing with a click spring bar
I confirm that the rotation of the bezel is really a bad thing
beyond the movement and the glass, I hope to solve this thing with a click spring bar
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Bracelet sides appear to be chamfered, incorrect, same as the JF 93250 bracelet was.
Is the crown on the clasp centred?
Is the crown on the clasp centred?
Saggiolus
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the crown on the clasp is slightly off centred like all the other 5 digits ARF bracelets unfortunately. But it does not bother me as comparing it side by side with gen is truly barely noticeable. I actually find the bracelet the most gen like part of the watch.
The main issues for me are:
Lugs are too large and too short compared to gen
Bezel action is as bad as it gets. I played with shitters that have a better bezel action
Bezel shape is truly wrong
Crown is wrong ( gold watch crown) and not gen like
Movement needs a replacement right away with VS or VR
Mine is at the watch smith. I have a gen crown installed, crystal replaced, VS3135 installed. Meanwhile I gave a mineral oil bath to the bracelet and I have here with me a replacement bezel assembly (not the retaining ring, I hope it will fit with the retaining ring from RAF / ARF.
After the oil bath and a slight clean with a jewellery cloth it looks and feel like my gen even side by side. I had a moment where I couldn't recognise which was which ( I gave the ultra-sonic bath to both together)
The lugs issue is the last one that can't really be solved unless I send it to someone who can re-shape those. Which is a little scary to think about that's why I'm waiting.
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The clasp on the engraving also look like a JF.
But the spring bar that connect the band to the clasp have this little recessed dot on the tip like gen, something Jf (and I don’t think ARf) didn’t had
Thank you very much for your contribution.
so if I understand correctly of the wso bezel you will mount the ring, insert and click spring bar right?
If so, the rotation of the ring bothers me alone, so I could get away with just replacing the click spring bra, is that correct?
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I will try in a few days and let you know. The scallops of the bezel bothers me also. They are too sharp and at the same time feels flimsy and of light material compared to gen. Plus the recess at the bottom of the bezel is wrong, and the polishing too compared to Gen.
Edit: my feeling is that it’s not only the flimsiness of the click spring but also the material of which the bezel internal scallops is made of, shape and dimensions of those. Just a feeling tho. I will know when i have it on hand side by side.
You can see below that the shape is bad, the material look different not only in finishing but somehow porosity too which means the alloy was not properly tempered. And the Crystal is not as flush as Gen. (Above)
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