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{*PCTeam*} PAM Luminor 44mm CASE-SETS - Noob vs. KW vs. H maker - ALE-Klockis Review

winz

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Thanks for very informative review, ALE.

Glad to see kw pam same level with noob pam.

Because my local dealer give me kw pam 111, he tells me it noob pam 111 v3. :(
 

braveme

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thank you so much for your hard work!!
 

Elysium

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Thanks so much for this detailed write-up and all of your hard work involved, from a new member! This has been an immense help to me trying to compare the subtle detail differences between the different factories whilst trying to decide on my first rep (which will be a PAM!)
 

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This thread just cost me 2 hours of my life. But It made me realize that the term "hobby" as I've stumbled across here countless times in the last few days since I registered here is indeed accurate and not a lame excuse for people trying to save some money by acquiring "cheap" knockoff watches. I never thought that people actually obsess about those reps on that level of detail.

I am deeply impressed.
 

Incantations

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settled with the noob, thanks for writing such a comprehensive guide. this is simply amazing.
 

outdawes

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Excellent review, wow micro detailing here very interesting read. I am a newbie having purchased only genuine previously and sold them on due to the recession and finances. Always wanted to buy them back but simply cannot afford the asking prices hence looking at replicas this thread really is making me think why not buy one Thanks
 

E46RON

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so much details! thanks for the hard work and time spent on writing the report
 

kukus

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Very detailed and useful post ! Thanks to you !
 

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Thanks friends for your kind words and comments

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As I understand the latest H maker-cases are a lot better (maybe even best) since this started.
However, I did not found any comparison pictures of these improvements. Or did I miss it?

I have a H maker coming my way and I would love to make any pictures needed to update this thread (if desired).
 

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As I understand the latest H maker-cases are a lot better (maybe even best) since this started.
However, I did not found any comparison pictures of these improvements. Or did I miss it?

I have a H maker coming my way and I would love to make any pictures needed to update this thread (if desired).

Yes all makers, and mainly H maker (since it had the worst caseset), have introduced in 2015 improvements in their Luminor 44mm casesets.

H maker has got accurate lug shape, nice lug contours joining the case and has improved a lot the finish, getting the same level as KW and Noob. Unfortunately H maker has sharper edges than gen and the bezel has higher base, this flaw is enhanced by the sharper transition edges (this is really noticeable). These sharper edges are really nice but inaccurate.
H maker has also improved CG getting similar level to Noob. CG lever was already more accurate than Noob. Crown is almost as “slim” as gen but less accurate than KW crown which is as “slim” as gen.
Caseback is worse than other makers.

Please remember that I am talking about complete 2015 versions. This is important because there are many old batches in the market and, even announcing updated versions, makers are producing and dealers are selling batches with mixing old and new parts. Therefore we should be careful checking the QC pics

All pics in similar conditions and angle to the pics you can see in this thread will be welcome. I'm talking about pics to be directly compared.

ALE
 

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Remarkable information and effort invested here, Ale! Find it easy to say that this is one of the most informative threads I have encountered here on RWI ... now off to find the right chrono for my next purchase. Why does this have to be so addicting?? haha
 

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Remarkable information and effort invested here, Ale! Find it easy to say that this is one of the most informative threads I have encountered here on RWI ... now off to find the right chrono for my next purchase. Why does this have to be so addicting?? haha

Thanks for your kind words

Regarding chronos look at:
PAM 326-356-253-212-187-288-224-196-188-393-332

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SubdayExpress

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Thanks for your kind words

Regarding chronos look at:
PAM 326-356-253-212-187-288-224-196-188-393-332

ALE

Currently torn between the PAM 251 & 188 only because I want an SS bracelet - but hung up on the white dials. Would love a 250 but can't find it with a SS bracelet ... yet!
 

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