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{*PCTeam*} PAM Luminor 44mm CASE-SETS - Noob vs. KW vs. H maker - ALE-Klockis Review
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As a noobie interested in a PAM Luminor this analysis is extremely valuable. Thank you for taking the time to put together such a detailed breakdown of the different replicas.
It took me a while to go over this report, very well done indeed !!
I wander though ... how did the production evolve since this report ? Any progress made by one or all of the factories ?
I wander though ... how did the production evolve since this report ? Any progress made by one or all of the factories ?
Been thinking about this for a while, since the review is alredy a few yrs old, have there been any significant changes in the telltale signs between the 3 makers?
I visited a dealer in town specializing in "top end reps". Spotted a 111 and noticed that the seller quoted quite a high price (about 350 USD). When countered with the price I quoted from TDs and another local dealer, his answer: "we sell latest noobs, as proof look at the caseback and see the serial starts with a P, no other factories' pam111 start with a P".
Question is, how much truth is there in his statement? Is it really that easy to tell now?
I visited a dealer in town specializing in "top end reps". Spotted a 111 and noticed that the seller quoted quite a high price (about 350 USD). When countered with the price I quoted from TDs and another local dealer, his answer: "we sell latest noobs, as proof look at the caseback and see the serial starts with a P, no other factories' pam111 start with a P".
Question is, how much truth is there in his statement? Is it really that easy to tell now?
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Things have changed a lot from the end of 2014
New H maker has more correct lug shape, much better finish and CG but the edges (case and bezel) are really sharper than gen, that produces a strong gen-like appearance but it is inaccurate
New KW has correct lug shape and the case is more accurate, CG is also better. But the lug holes remain a bit higher on placement and the bezel has a bit sharper edges
Noob is making a new V4 case but they are using V3 and V4 parts mixed. We cannot assure the version we will receive. If you are lucky and receive a complete V4, that will be the best option... but this is almost impossible at this moment. And that occurs even with the new P-series. Indeed Noob is commercialising a "false V4" with usually P-series, fitting V3 caseset and just using a Y shaped rep Incabloc.
Many confusioon in the current Luminor 44mm rep casesets
ALE
New H maker has more correct lug shape, much better finish and CG but the edges (case and bezel) are really sharper than gen, that produces a strong gen-like appearance but it is inaccurate
New KW has correct lug shape and the case is more accurate, CG is also better. But the lug holes remain a bit higher on placement and the bezel has a bit sharper edges
Noob is making a new V4 case but they are using V3 and V4 parts mixed. We cannot assure the version we will receive. If you are lucky and receive a complete V4, that will be the best option... but this is almost impossible at this moment. And that occurs even with the new P-series. Indeed Noob is commercialising a "false V4" with usually P-series, fitting V3 caseset and just using a Y shaped rep Incabloc.
Many confusioon in the current Luminor 44mm rep casesets
ALE
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@ALE7575 having in mind what you commented about the Noob V3-V4 mix, let's imagine the more normal situation (we will receive a noob V3-V4 mix) , which would you order?
And also another point important for me, which one have the better crystal?
Thank you for this post and for your invaluable information.
And also another point important for me, which one have the better crystal?
Thank you for this post and for your invaluable information.
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I'm going not to be clear, but this is the current situation
We are so confused that I don't buy a Luminor 44mm from two years ago
The crystals on reps are hit and miss, you cannot say a fix rule. Anyway the overall level is good enough
Sorry for a no concrete reply, but it is really impossible to get it at this moment
Maybe is some months the real and complete Noob V4 will be ready and then......
ALE
Thanks and duly noted.
I noticed, assuming it was really a noob v4 mix, that the numbers did start with P, but man it was terribly engraved. Seems like the competitors are starting to catch up while noob is slowing down.
Learn something new everyday, indeed.
The great part is you can pick up a HF or KW 44mm Luminor for around 150-180 USD these days.
Quite a steal compared to what you got a few years ago....
Quite a steal compared to what you got a few years ago....
If im looking to pick up the Noob what's a good link? When I go to TD pages I dont see the model Noob v. KW V. HMaker
Noob V4 is already planned 100% sure Ale ?
any release date soon ?
Edit : So many things to read in the Panerai section....aghhh must FOCUS on my project !
(seriously , it can became real easy to lost our mind in all the awesome models and reviews , but hummy !!!)
MUST FOCUS !!!