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PAM386 Preview on PT's website

deja123

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on theire homepage the say shipping in 4-5 days on the 26.11, preordered too ;-) and a gen assolutamente strap is on the way too...
 

Bonesey

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I dunno about needing a gen strap. The rep one looks awesome. In fact if its as good as Angus says, and as it looks, then I think it definitely warrants the slightly higher cost than most reps.
 

deja123

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if the rep strap is such a good quality i´ll take the gen for the 339 :)
 

J.Prime

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This is one of the only business which I can think of that actually functions on selling the wrong thing. Everyone is complaining about the details, how the color is wrong, the movement is wrong, blah blah blah. BUT, you are still lining up to buy it!!!

Car companies don't release any V1s, then have people buy them saying "oh the next one will be better"

It's nonsense to complain about the details. If they can make a V2 or V3 better next year then they can make it now!! There won't be any technology advances which allow for better accuracy, it's simply a matter of business. They make 'whatever the hell they want' and sell it. Then make some adjustments and sell that, on an on... Notice how many versions there are of the DSSD. If we didn't buy the non accurate Reps, they wouldn't make them.

This is simply my opinion, it is however based in reality :)
 

eVojlib

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Who said genuine fake watches? Sorry for assuming basic knowledge or independent thought.

Its like this, The best reps are made using a gen, they dissemble a Genuine watch and copy what they can, AKA reverse engineering.

200 posts and i had to explain that to you?

Tomorrow's lesson, Lume for thous that aren't that bright.

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Ha, nice picture dude.

Im glad you prefer to buy watches that are build from dissecting gens. I wish this was the case and not a bunch of sales bs by dealers.

I think you said it best at get as close as you can, I find it hard to believe that factories are buying genuine watches to build reps. Its just not cost effective to do this, besides, I think factories could care less as we make up a small number of there customer base.

The replica indusrty is a multi-million dollar business and could care less what 50,000 members of a replica watch site think.

I wish this wasn't the case, I wish every rep that came out was flawless and perfect in everyway. That just isn't the case bro, and until recently most dealers really garnered no opinions or critisim of the products they sell.

Lets just agree to disagree. All I said was how can we accurately judge somthing we havn't seen in person, sure it looks purple in some pics and in others it looks brown or grey.

Lets just wait and see the real deal before we jump to conclusions.

And I didn't realize you were a teacher, I've never seen a thread or tutorial from you on lume and or any projects you have completed on you own. So next time try and come with somthing better than this, with 400 posts I know you can do better.

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J.Prime

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^^^ HAHAHAHA very nice rebuttal!! I'm pretty sure there has never been any proof that anyone has actually had a "Gen in hand" to make the watch. It would be quite easy to show a side by side picture of the prototype and the Gen watch, yet I've never seen one :thinking:

We get tons of "production" pictures, you think they could toss the Gen in there and shut us up....
 

PecMan

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in a different thread a moderator told me i need help , and then i c this kind of subjet wars about dealers using gen to replicate , so i ask myself , do i really need help? i think im preaty sane
 

Bonesey

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^^^ HAHAHAHA very nice rebuttal!! I'm pretty sure there has never been any proof that anyone has actually had a "Gen in hand" to make the watch. It would be quite easy to show a side by side picture of the prototype and the Gen watch, yet I've never seen one :thinking:

We get tons of "production" pictures, you think they could toss the Gen in there and shut us up....

What about Angus' putting up the complete teardown of the 111m gen/Noob/H fac thread?
 

Wiz

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What about Angus' putting up the complete teardown of the 111m gen/Noob/H fac thread?
Well, Angus did his teardown after the reps were made, nothing tells us the maker had access to that gen (or another one) during the making process.

But no one said no rep made has ever been made with an actual gen as sample, just that it's most likely not true 95% of the times a maker states so.
 

eVojlib

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What about Angus' putting up the complete teardown of the 111m gen/Noob/H fac thread?

Bonesey, this was also my point too. As I said, recently dealers/Angus have tried to work with factories to improve the quality of watches being built.

This is a great step for our hobby as we will see many improvements in the coming months. Only downside is the dent that will be left on our bank accounts ;)

Angus is a great dealer, and an asset to our communities and I welcome his willingness to work to make these watches better and better.

Its not everyday that a dealer asks its highly regarded members on the current downfalls of current models, and what can be done to improve them.

Kudos to him
 

eVojlib

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I've been reading this ever since I joined. :D

Well, until recently I think its been alot of bs on the dealers part.

The best example of this was the new 029m, notice the orig pics and the crown guard. It was pretty spot on, then the lever was sticking out a bit and we didn't like that.

Then the cg was revised with the pin too close to the edge, this was also a problem.

Back to the factory again to try and improve this, we were asked if we would be willing to wait a few more days to resolve the issue and we said yes.

If you check the current qc pics you will see that not only did they fix the pin position, but the lever issue has been resolved as well.

I reward Angus for his commitment, and his ability to work to ensure these issues were fixed.

I guess there could be another conspiracy here, but it seems like he did somthing to ensure the issues were fixed.
 

Dodgy

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Ha, nice picture dude.

Im glad you prefer to buy watches that are build from dissecting gens. I wish this was the case and not a bunch of sales bs by dealers.

I think you said it best at get as close as you can, I find it hard to believe that factories are buying genuine watches to build reps. Its just not cost effective to do this, besides, I think factories could care less as we make up a small number of there customer base.

The replica indusrty is a multi-million dollar business and could care less what 50,000 members of a replica watch site think.

I wish this wasn't the case, I wish every rep that came out was flawless and perfect in everyway. That just isn't the case bro, and until recently most dealers really garnered no opinions or critisim of the products they sell.

Lets just agree to disagree. All I said was how can we accurately judge somthing we havn't seen in person, sure it looks purple in some pics and in others it looks brown or grey.

Lets just wait and see the real deal before we jump to conclusions.

And I didn't realize you were a teacher, I've never seen a thread or tutorial from you on lume and or any projects you have completed on you own. So next time try and come with somthing better than this, with 400 posts I know you can do better.

OUCH, so hurtful ! I guess you showed me!

Sorry bro, from your post....

"Hmmm, genuine fake watches... Guess that make's sense."

I may be forgiven thinking you didnt even know the concept of a gen being used in replication hence my reply.

Now your an expert! Im glad that i have helped you by prompting you to study the subject, THE MORE YOU KNOW!!!!!! You're more knowledgeable now, my work is done.

Ohh..I realized why you take this personally.

You went and bought a watch that even people who know the gen wouldn't even recognize a rep as its that different.

Im deeply sorry for pissing on your parade mate, enjoy your watch. I'll wait to buy until resembles the gen. On the strength of that decide on buying the gen.


Wait....WTF am i doing arguing on the internet we all know that..

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if the rep strap is such a good quality i´ll take the gen for the 339 :)

Or sell it to me !!!!
 

levelmanroger

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How come eVojlib always seems to be the only guy on the forums who knows exactly what the factories are working on and exactly how? Why aren't the rest of us invited into the inner sanctum of repdom? I feel hurt and unappreciated.

I would be willing to bet most of my watch collection that less than 5% of all watches repped were done so with the factory ever even touching a gen, let along buying one and tearing it down.
If it were true, simple things like Rolex CG and rehaut shapes and Pam CG fitments would be EASY to duplicate EXACTLY. But they rarely get those simple things right.
1:1 made by dissecting a gen my fat white ***..... If it's BS 95%+ of the time, then it's just plain BS.


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eVojlib

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Some good advice i received when getting into reps is to be sure they are using the actual Gen when repping.

Its like this, The best reps are made using a gen, they dissemble a Genuine watch and copy what they can, AKA reverse engineering.
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How come eVojlib always seems to be the only guy on the forums who knows exactly what the factories are working on and exactly how? Why aren't the rest of us invited into the inner sanctum of repdom? I feel hurt and unappreciated.

I would be willing to bet most of my watch collection that less than 5% of all watches repped were done so with the factory ever even touching a gen, let along buying one and tearing it down.
If it were true, simple things like Rolex CG and rehaut shapes and Pam CG fitments would be EASY to duplicate EXACTLY. But they rarely get those simple things right.
1:1 made by dissecting a gen my fat white ***..... If it's BS 95%+ of the time, then it's just plain BS.


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I never suggested the use of gens in making reps, that was mentioned by Dodgy!

What I suggested was that Angus was taking information from senior members of the forum. His goal was to find out what could be improved on upcoming releases, not to suggest gens were being used.

I know he doesn't frequent RWI, this thread was on RG which is were I usually am.

I agree with you that the thought of using gens is BS, most of the time.

I find it hard to believe as you do as well that case side, lug shape, ect ect. could be so poorly done if a gen in fact was used in the process.
 

Gavins

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Honestly for f@@ks sake. All this nonsense talk of if the colour of the rep is accurate or not. Who cares less. Most people don't even know what Panerai is let alone if the case colour is accurate or not. I have recently bought this rep and it is bloody awesome. A great looking watch. Arguably one of the nicest looking Panerai models. Get over the case issue and move on. If you don't like it don't buy it.