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PAM 382 Bronzo - QC Pics allowed Thread

Champagne iH

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I don't get this "awe" factor for bronze. It costs less than stellar. Bronze is an alloy of copper and tin. No more, no less. The Bronze Age was well before the age of modern steel and back in the days where iron was being smelted, bronze was relegated to those that couldn't afford iron or steel. For that matter Aluminum at the turn of the 20th century was approximately the same price per troy ounce as pure gold.

Again I just don't understand this "wow" factor for the bronze case. There are plenty of diver watches, on gnomon watches that are gen with real ETA for a similar price as the repped Bronzo. Titanium is the priciest non precious metal that watchmakersuse for cases and while tough and light Titanium scratches and scuffs so easily. The forged carbon is also impressive for how it's made.

I have a good friend who is married to a sculptor that owns a bronze foundry in the Monterrey area of California. Bronze is a good medium for sculptures because of its ease of smelting, use in casting and the basic polishing. All of this can be done without modern machine tools, but it's a simple metal. It's a bit less complex than brass. Both can polish nicely with brasso.

Anyhow, sorry to thread crash. I just couldn't figure out why the 2 different factories cases would need complex analysis. It's not a complex alloy and the Chinese have had use of bronze for millenniums.

It was nice of ALE to offer free chemical analysis, butwhat else besides copper and tin, but what else would you expect to find in a sample of metal claimed as bronze? There really are not that many metals much less expensive than actual bronze?


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I don't get this "awe" factor for bronze. It costs less than stellar. Bronze is an alloy of copper and tin. No more, no less. The Bronze Age was well before the age of modern steel and back in the days where iron was being smelted, bronze was relegated to those that couldn't afford iron or steel. For that matter Aluminum at the turn of the 20th century was approximately the same price per troy ounce as pure gold.

Again I just don't understand this "wow" factor for the bronze case. There are plenty of diver watches, on gnomon watches that are gen with real ETA for a similar price as the repped Bronzo. Titanium is the priciest non precious metal that watchmakersuse for cases and while tough and light Titanium scratches and scuffs so easily. The forged carbon is also impressive for how it's made.

I have a good friend who is married to a sculptor that owns a bronze foundry in the Monterrey area of California. Bronze is a good medium for sculptures because of its ease of smelting, use in casting and the basic polishing. All of this can be done without modern machine tools, but it's a simple metal. It's a bit less complex than brass. Both can polish nicely with brasso.

Anyhow, sorry to thread crash. I just couldn't figure out why the 2 different factories cases would need complex analysis. It's not a complex alloy and the Chinese have had use of bronze for millenniums.

It was nice of ALE to offer free chemical analysis, butwhat else besides copper and tin, but what else would you expect to find in a sample of metal claimed as bronze? There really are not that many metals much less expensive than actual bronze?


"What should we start with?"
"An '82 Margaux."
"Is it good?"
"Good? It will make you believe in God!"
As a PAM guy, i can say that my "awe" factor kicks in with the grail nature of the Bronzo. I personally love that my Bronzo allows me to purposely abuse a high end replica, only to watch it get better and more customized by the day. Unlike most great reps out the box, no-one will ever have a 382 that will look exactly like mine.

A very expensive gen with as you point out relatively inexpensive composition. Yet, when Sly, the Rock, the Boss and just about every well known celebrity PAM enthusiast turns the gen 382 into a daily beater, enthusiasts started to dream of a non-plated, non-fauxgold, non-garbage rep Bronzo.

In a niche world full of ss reps (of various chemical composition) the Bronzo stands out as a new material, new build quailty, and new factory ambition. A rep with a gen sticker price north of 25k, that many with sticker price caution like myself have happily thrown to the wind.

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PAM1983

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Going to start digging around for a New 382 soon. I really want to find one with correct crown and cg. Could someone post a Pic of the latest ZF V4 that might have been purchased in the last few months. Thank You. PS I want to Patina the hell out of it. Ocean time all summer!!!!!!!!
 

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My zf is still on its way , with a little luck I will have it saturday....and will post pictures, have homemade pressure tester etc waiting for it.
Do I need to brush on it when leaving it in ketchup ?


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My zf is still on its way , with a little luck I will have it saturday....and will post pictures, have homemade pressure tester etc waiting for it.
Do I need to brush on it when leaving it in ketchup ?


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Awesome. No Brushing is required. You can use a soft toothbrush to lightly brush. Let it sit for 30-45min. You will be amazed. good wash in warm water and boom.
 

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Just some crappy pics. Only had an hour before leaving for Goa.. Will post later.
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Enfield

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I am almost perfectly satisfied - the only thing is all the Numbers on the bezel that is a bit out of alignment.
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Ewing89

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In Germany we had trouble with the zf-maker. Sometimes it was not clear, that the rep 382 by zf was made from "real" bronze. One over here tried to get some patina on his one and found out that this one was like plated.
 

Enfield

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I just greased, pressuretested and dipped in Heinz. In 5 min it is going in a bag with a boiled egg. It sure doesnt look plated .
Will post pic of how it develops.
Chr


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Ewing89

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Go for it! I am also looking for a second one :laugh: But i still hope kw is making an better version of th 507.
 

comfysofa

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Hi guys,

i need your advice on the QC pics for the PAM 382 KW-V6F I'm getting from Kurvasit. Does anyone think the 15/30/45 numerals seem too bold or the 15 is a bit crooked?

If you guys give me the go-ahead, I'll take the plunge and get it approved for delivery :)

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Zeinharis

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Hi guys,

i need your advice on the QC pics for the PAM 382 KW-V6F I'm getting from Kurvasit. Does anyone think the 15/30/45 numerals seem too bold or the 15 is a bit crooked?

If you guys give me the go-ahead, I'll take the plunge and get it approved for delivery :)

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I'm not sure bout this, but the 12 marker seems uneven, and the 15 is abit thinner.


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This is the "BAD" batch that is out right now. The crown lever wont snap tight at all thus not being water tight. the crown itself is too skinny for the lever to snap it shut. My opinion is
I would wait until a newer batch is out this summer or go with a ZF which seems to bett the better option at the moment...or at extremes find a used one in the Member Sales section here. Good Luck


Hi guys,

i need your advice on the QC pics for the PAM 382 KW-V6F I'm getting from Kurvasit. Does anyone think the 15/30/45 numerals seem too bold or the 15 is a bit crooked?

If you guys give me the go-ahead, I'll take the plunge and get it approved for delivery :)

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pcardoza

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I think the crown is sticking out way too far from the case! REJECT!

This is the "BAD" batch that is out right now. The crown lever wont snap tight at all thus not being water tight. the crown itself is too skinny for the lever to snap it shut. My opinion is
I would wait until a newer batch is out this summer or go with a ZF which seems to bett the better option at the moment...or at extremes find a used one in the Member Sales section here. Good Luck
 

comfysofa

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This is the "BAD" batch that is out right now. The crown lever wont snap tight at all thus not being water tight. the crown itself is too skinny for the lever to snap it shut. My opinion is
I would wait until a newer batch is out this summer or go with a ZF which seems to bett the better option at the moment...or at extremes find a used one in the Member Sales section here. Good Luck

Thanks a billion for that info, I never knew about that. I was reading up on the bronze composition of ZFs - are they made completely of bronze like the KW version here (which is almost the only reason I decided to go with this instead of the ZF V4). I know kurvasit ain't a TD on RWI, but is anyone able to find the ZF V4 on his website (www.kuvarsitwatch.co)? I only see the V3 and some other version which costs way more than the $398 intime.co is charging

I think the crown is sticking out way too far from the case! REJECT!

Man you guys have the best eyes! I can't believe I was about the accept this!
 

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Figures I'd ask this question in this thread. Would anyone know where to get an new rotor movement for the bronzo? My decoration plate and three screws came loose about 4 months ago and I'd really like to replace those parts without getting a new watch.
 

PAM1983

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Figures I'd ask this question in this thread. Would anyone know where to get an new rotor movement for the bronzo? My decoration plate and three screws came loose about 4 months ago and I'd really like to replace those parts without getting a new watch.


Ask a TD on here. The rotor just presses on or no? I cant remember. where did the screws go? are they stuck inside the movement?