Not worth buying in gen

[d4m.test]

The U.S. Department of Justice, however, has stated that federal law doesn't prohibit an individual from buying a counterfeit product for personal use, even if they do so knowingly.

That’s interesting, but selling it is illegal? How is one half of the same transaction legal and the other illegal? Its like a prostitute going to jail but the customer allowed to walk free (in certain countries).

The law I was quoting is applicable in the EU and where I live. Which applied to both of us.


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[Variatio Delectat]

“It is against the law to sell counterfeit goods but it is not against the law to UNKNOWINGLY buy or be in possession of such goods. The key is in the subjective element of unknowingly buying counterfeit goods. If you knowingly buy counterfeit goods then yes that is illegal.”

A simple google search will give you this answer. If rep collecting is your hobby then you are knowingly buying counterfeit goods, which is illegal.


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Too bad, but wrong, again. Even though this may be true in some countries, in most it is not. Your legal knowledge obviously is pretty limited. You don't become a lawyer by Google search.

 

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Sorry you are just completely wrong . Such skills of discernement and analysis are highly regarded in many different fields. The subject matter to which the developed skills are put, are not a negative impact on the skills themselves.

That’s a terrible over simplification. Its like saying that because a football (soccer) player can run really fast, he would be useful in the NFL as a running back because they also need to be fast. You can’t directly translate this rep vs gen knowledge anywhere else.

I definitely say that this level of analytics is very elementary compared to what is required in the working world. I would not hire anyone in a role that requires analytical skills based on their knowledge of rehaut alignment and crown guards.




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Too bad, but wrong, again. Even though this may be true in some countries, in most it is not. Your legal knowledge obviously is pretty limited. You don't become a lawyer by Google search.

I never claimed to be a lawyer, I probably wouldn’t have had to google it if I was.

And that is the law applicable to the UK and the EU. Which is where you live.


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[Raddave]

That’s interesting, but selling it is illegal? How is one half of the same transaction legal and the other illegal? Its like a prostitute going to jail but the customer allowed to walk free (in certain countries).

The law I was quoting is applicable in the EU and where I live. Which applied to both of us.


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Heres the whole clause ,


C. DEFINITION OF "TRAFFICKING"

Subsection 2320(d) provides a definition of the term "trafficking." This definition is derived from a related, recently enacted statute, the Piracy and Counterfeiting Amendments Act of 1982, now codified at 18 U.S.C. 2318(b). Under this definition, the scope of the act is limited to commercial activities. Thus it is not a crime under this act for an individual knowingly to purchase goods bearing counterfeit marks, if the purchase is for the individual's personal use.

The "for value" clause in the definition of trafficking means transfers without consideration of goods or materials bearing counterfeit marks are not covered by this section. Of course, consideration can take many forms, and the courts should analyze transactions based on their substance and not on their form. The definitions of "Lanham Act" and of "Olympic Charter Act" in subsection 2320(d) are self-explanatory.

 

[timnic54]

I never claimed to be a lawyer, I probably wouldn’t have had to google it if I was.

And that is the law applicable to the UK and the EU. Which is where you live.


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Perhaps you would be wise to learn a little from the level of discernement and analysis shown by some of the experts on this forum and apply that to your own google searching.

In the UK it is absolutely not illegal to buy a replica watch either knowingly or unknowingly. In France and Italy, it is illegal. It is illegal in the UK to pass these items across a border, however confiscation is considered the only legal recourse , no prosecutions are brought upon individuals who have had their goods confiscated. They are not confiscated because of illegality of ownership, but because of illegality of customs transmission.

 

[d4m.test]

Perhaps you would be wise to learn a little from the level of discernement and analysis shown by some of the experts on this forum and apply that to your own google searching.

In the UK it is absolutely not illegal to buy a replica watch either knowingly or unknowingly. In France and Italy, it is illegal. It is illegal in the UK to pass these items across a border, however confiscation is considered the only legal recourse , no prosecutions are brought upon individuals who have had their goods confiscated. They are not confiscated because of illegality of ownership, but because of illegality of customs transmission.

The fact of the matter, which is my point from the start, is that none of this rep vs gen knowledge is going to serve you outside of these communities.

You can’t use this knowledge to trade in such items because that is illegal. M2M sales are illegal in pretty much every country, as the sale of counterfeit goods is prohibited.

If you want to believe that your expertise in replica watches and gen comparisons are going to serve you well in other aspects of your life than go right ahead man. Far be it for me to stand between a man and his fantasies.


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[timnic54]

The fact of the matter, which is my point from the start, is that none of this rep vs gen knowledge is going to serve you outside of these communities.

You can’t use this knowledge to trade in such items because that is illegal. M2M sales are illegal in pretty much every country, as the sale of counterfeit goods is prohibited.

If you want to believe that your expertise in replica watches and gen comparisons are going to serve you well in other aspects of your life than go right ahead man. Far be it for me to stand between a man and his fantasies.


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Are you going to keep banging the same drum without providing substantive argument for your forlorn and ridiculous point.

If so this is going to become tiresomely tedious and boring.

Please try harder.

 

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Are you going to keep banging the same drum without providing substantive argument for your forlorn and ridiculous point.

If so this is going to become tiresomely tedious and boring.

Please try harder.

The onus is on you to provide me with something that proves that this knowledge would serve you elsewhere, since that is the point that you are supporting.

All you have said is that the skills of discernment and analysis are valuable, which they are but in much more advanced and specialised forms. The ability to discern a Noob from a JF is not going to help you anywhere else.

I don’t know how much clearer or substantive that can be, as it is rooted firmly in reality. No profession or legal business can be built on that knowledge.


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Y'all need to chill lads..

 

[timnic54]

The onus is on you to provide me with something that proves that this knowledge would serve you elsewhere, since that is the point that you are supporting.

All you have said is that the skills of discernment and analysis are valuable, which they are but in much more advanced and specialised forms. The ability to discern a Noob from a JF is not going to help you anywhere else.

I don’t know how much clearer or substantive that can be, as it is rooted firmly in reality. No profession or legal business can be built on that knowledge.


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There is no onus on me to do anything at all. You raised the point in the first place and you have said absolutely nothing to support it. You have simply reiterated it several times.

 

[andyr]

Having experts who can spot fakes is incredibly valuable to protect the general public from exploitation and fraud, so saying that it has no real world value is somewhat myopic. There are numerous examples of members spotting fakes by scammers on ebay and other online auction sites, which has saved innocent people thousands of dollars. There is also a division between a business and a hobby, hobbies rarely have a wider benefit to society, they are by definition something people do to enjoy themselves and an interest in reps is just the same and no different from model trains. A hobby is not something that is set up to benefit the wider population, it it something which fulfils an individual's specific need.

 

[d4m.test]

There is no onus on me to do anything at all. You raised the point in the first place and you have said absolutely nothing to support it. You have simply reiterated it several times.

I made my point very clear, I’m not sure how you want me to prove that this very niche hobby is confined to these spaces? Maybe if you left your home once in a while and interacted with other human beings, you will find that most of them don’t really care about replica watches.

Anyway, thanks for the lively debate. Enjoy the rest of your day.


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[timnic54]

I made my point very clear, I’m not sure how you want me to prove that this very niche hobby is confined to these spaces? Maybe if you left your home once in a while and interacted with other human beings, you will find that most of them don’t really care about replica watches.

Anyway, thanks for the lively debate. Enjoy the rest of your day.


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It is never very long before a complete idiot will reduce himself to personal insult and thus expose his ignorance. Thanks for not taking too long, it was getting boring.

 

[FastPaced]

@HungSolo
Looks like this forum is probably the wrong place for you.
This is a hobby to most if the “experts” that you say have this useful information. It application outside of here is irrelevant. Just like fishing, RC cars and Snowboarding. It is not meant to bring any knowledge or application to any “outside” activities. They do it for fun. I am not a expert in any of this. I do have the money to buy the Gens (have plenty of them) I like the fact that this hobby has nothing to do with my job in life, no skills are transferable (I am a performer) I come on here and love to read the differences that everyone points out.
As Far as legality goes, that doesn’t make much difference in my Country because we ARE aloud to have them. If it is illegal in you country to own Reps you should stay off this board, and that will fix to problems!

 

[d4m.test]

It is never very long before a complete idiot will reduce himself to personal insult and thus expose his ignorance. Thanks for not taking too long, it was getting boring.

It wasn’t a personal insult, if you didn’t know that this is a very confined community, it shows that you don’t interact with a lot of people outside of it.

You resorting to name calling leaves you in no better position than the one you have described.



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@HungSolo
Looks like this forum is probably the wrong place for you.
This is a hobby to most if the “experts” that you say have this useful information. It application outside of here is irrelevant. Just like fishing, RC cars and Snowboarding. It is not meant to bring any knowledge or application to any “outside” activities. They do it for fun. I am not a expert in any of this. I do have the money to buy the Gens (have plenty of them) I like the fact that this hobby has nothing to do with my job in life, no skills are transferable (I am a performer) I come on here and love to read the differences that everyone points out.
As Far as legality goes, that doesn’t make much difference in my Country because we ARE aloud to have them. If it is illegal in you country to own Reps you should stay off this board, and that will fix to problems!

Your English is terrible and so are your examples. Fishing, RC cars and snowboarding are all hobbies but they also have a professional competitive level to them. You can’t compare them to collecting fake watches.

Also, the moment a person on this forum mentions their financial capability to purchase a genuine watch, it is a sure sign that they are either full of shit or are one of the pompous tw**s I was referring to in my original post.


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[zechef350]

General horology knowledge and information is obviously useful outside of replica watches. That isn’t a very smart point you’re making, because watchmaking is an actual profession.

Knowledge of gen vs rep bezel scallops, insert engravings, blackhole effects on cyclopses and arguing over which shade of blue looks more “gen like” are not transferable skills, I am afraid, regardless of how you would like to word it.


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If you are in the jewelry buying industry it is of utmost important to recognize these flaws. I’ve spared myself of multiple thousand dollar mistakes because of this forum and replica knowledge in general.

 

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If you are in the jewelry buying industry it is of utmost important to recognize these flaws. I’ve spared myself of multiple thousand dollar mistakes because of this forum and replica knowledge in general.

That is a really good example. I do respect that.

At least you aren’t using the knowledge to run a fake watch busting account on Instagram.


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[pompompurin]

Your English is terrible and so are your examples. Fishing, RC cars and snowboarding are all hobbies but they also have a professional competitive level to them. You can’t compare them to collecting fake watches.

Also, the moment a person on this forum mentions their financial capability to purchase a genuine watch, it is a sure sign that they are either full of shit or are one of the pompous tw**s I was referring to in my original post.


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Why is the proficiency of @FastPaced's English relevant to your argument? Is this some kind of ad hominem attack?

And to be frank, your use of punctuation isn't perfect either - you can't seem to appropriately use a comma, dash or semi-colon in your sentences. Therefore, it would be wise to refrain yourself from commenting on other's level of English.