Not worth buying in gen

[RepPossessed]

I think all the SevenFriday watches should be on this list. Same movements, and most the reps visually are pretty close. They aren't very common so no one would be able to tell anyway.

Pretty close isnt close enough

anyway a Gen isnt expensive so its hardly worth saying there is no point in buying gen

 

[RepPossessed]

I have one also, but i cant say I agree, theres a definite difference in the hour markers, and turning the bezel on the gen well its hard to describe but there's a huge difference between the rep and gen

I would never buy a gen Seawolf. This watch is exactly lile the gen except it has been built in China and the movement doesnt have Cal. Colt 17 stamped on it

 

[ShiroTenshi]

If they could rep hi beat movements, that would be amazing. Unfortunately if they every did start repping the grand seiko, they'd probably through a 21600bph movement in there.

They don't have to rep the movement. Just the look of the watch and use a 2824 and I will be contented.


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[2fake4u]

They don't have to rep the movement. Just the look of the watch and use a 2824 and I will be contented.


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The whole point of the Grand Seiko is the hi beat movement. If that doesn't matter to you, get a cocktail time seiko with the lower beat movement for $300. Similar style. A tenth of the price.

 

[2fake4u]

Pretty close isnt close enough

anyway a Gen isnt expensive so its hardly worth saying there is no point in buying gen

The good reps you'd be hard pressed to see the differences unless you are really analyzing it next to a gen. Makes no sense in paying the additional $500 for a gen at that point.

 

[ShiroTenshi]

The whole point of the Grand Seiko is the hi beat movement. If that doesn't matter to you, get a cocktail time seiko with the lower beat movement for $300. Similar style. A tenth of the price.

Not true. The high beat is only a small portion of grand seiko's offering. They still have got their regular beat 28.8k bph models as well as their Quartz GS.
They can even try repping the spring drive model by using Quartz movement that glides.


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[RepPossessed]

The good reps you'd be hard pressed to see the differences unless you are really analyzing it next to a gen. Makes no sense in paying the additional $500 for a gen at that point.

i know i already own a SFv3 myself i know they are very close, but we are looking at watches here that cost 15 and 20x the price of gen... so i cant see how this watch can fit in.

And i know this is besides the point but they get absolutely no love on this forum at all so it might take some convincing lol

if there was a category for "not worth buying in rep" then it would be top of that list purely because the gen isnt expensive.

 

[pure b]

I have one also, but i cant say I agree, theres a definite difference in the hour markers, and turning the bezel on the gen well its hard to describe but there's a huge difference between the rep and gen

I have never got a tighter bezel than this. 120 crisp clicks and almost no play

Do you have the same version? The ETA one from some years ago. I've had the new H-fac version in my hands but the quality didn't came near the older version

 

[timnic54]

They don't have to rep the movement. Just the look of the watch and use a 2824 and I will be contented.


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It is going to be quite hard to emulate the amazing finish on the cases of GS watches

They use the Zaratsu method


From GS Website
"Every surface of each case and bracelet is polished by the experienced craftsmen. The mirror finish on the case side surface has no distortion. The process is known as Zaratsu or blade polishing and is made by carefully applying a rotating tin plate against the case at a very precise angle. This process is entrusted to only the most skillful and experienced craftsmen."

As similar system is used by Glashutte Original for their SS cases

The result is magnificent and to me is the essence of a GS watch. I have the Seiko Gallante , made by Grand Seiko using the same method. The luster of the steel is platinum like and resembles more some Platinum and Palladium watches I have, than other Steel watches I don't think anyone achieves the same level of SS finish. Rolex 904L or not IMHO don't get near, which may be partly why they rep so well .

 

[RepPossessed]

I have never got a tighter bezel than this. 120 crisp clicks and almost no play

Do you have the same version? The ETA one from some years ago. I've had the new H-fac version in my hands but the quality didn't came near the older version

mine is newer version

 

[jttou]

BTW is the list that's been posted here ranked? Or just in random order?

 

[ShiroTenshi]

It is going to be quite hard to emulate the amazing finish on the cases of GS watches

They use the Zaratsu method


From GS Website
"Every surface of each case and bracelet is polished by the experienced craftsmen. The mirror finish on the case side surface has no distortion. The process is known as Zaratsu or blade polishing and is made by carefully applying a rotating tin plate against the case at a very precise angle. This process is entrusted to only the most skillful and experienced craftsmen."

As similar system is used by Glashutte Original for their SS cases

The result is magnificent and to me is the essence of a GS watch. I have the Seiko Gallante , made by Grand Seiko using the same method. The luster of the steel is platinum like and resembles more some Platinum and Palladium watches I have, than other Steel watches I don't think anyone achieves the same level of SS finish. Rolex 904L or not IMHO don't get near, which may be partly why they rep so well .

Very nice Seiko! Never saw that before. powered by a springdrive?
I definitely know what you mean since I own GS. The rep will never be anything near the real thing in term of finishing and which IMO is their main selling point.
Its just that there are so many GS models I love to own but cant be spending so many ten of thousands on all of them. Reps can help to scratch some of the itch.

 

[simonjay]

BTW is the list that's been posted here ranked? Or just in random order?

Alphabetical order

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[timnic54]

Very nice Seiko! Never saw that before. powered by a springdrive?
I definitely know what you mean since I own GS. The rep will never be anything near the real thing in term of finishing and which IMO is their main selling point.
Its just that there are so many GS models I love to own but cant be spending so many ten of thousands on all of them. Reps can help to scratch some of the itch.

That is beautiful. Yes mine has the spring Drive GMT

The Galante range were originally released in 14 ADs in Japan only

 

[FiloViridae]

It is going to be quite hard to emulate the amazing finish on the cases of GS watches

They use the Zaratsu method


From GS Website
"Every surface of each case and bracelet is polished by the experienced craftsmen. The mirror finish on the case side surface has no distortion. The process is known as Zaratsu or blade polishing and is made by carefully applying a rotating tin plate against the case at a very precise angle. This process is entrusted to only the most skillful and experienced craftsmen."

As similar system is used by Glashutte Original for their SS cases

The result is magnificent and to me is the essence of a GS watch. I have the Seiko Gallante , made by Grand Seiko using the same method. The luster of the steel is platinum like and resembles more some Platinum and Palladium watches I have, than other Steel watches I don't think anyone achieves the same level of SS finish. Rolex 904L or not IMHO don't get near, which may be partly why they rep so well .

Very nice Seiko! Never saw that before. powered by a springdrive?
I definitely know what you mean since I own GS. The rep will never be anything near the real thing in term of finishing and which IMO is their main selling point.
Its just that there are so many GS models I love to own but cant be spending so many ten of thousands on all of them. Reps can help to scratch some of the itch.

I'm not to certain how a rep of these would be.. I know I would not buy one, however I am after a GS sooner or later. I love how under the radar they are, however same price as other top brands. I'm going to stop into the NYC boutique soon and see what I can get. I've fallen hard for Seiko lol


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[Variatio Delectat]

Alphabetical order

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Was not that hard to discover, wasn't it?

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[jttou]

Alphabetical order

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Good Lord, thanks for that.

The greed made me blind to notice that lol.

 

[yodog]

I just sold my Gen 111 this weekend after years of cringing at how close the Noob 111's looked... now looking for a rep 111 :callme:

 

[Woldemar]

For many years I have owned Gens I have an extensive collection and as a serial flipper for many years there are not many watches I have not at one time owned.
Recently I have started buying some very interesting Reps. Times have changed and manufacturing techniques have advanced, along with measuring techniques.
There are of course many watches which for reasons of complication and various details will not rep well.
I now find that I am compiling in my mind a list of watches where I believe IMHO that it is simply not worth buying the gen. That is if you are prepared to accept that the movement in your rep may over years need some (Not even expensive ) TLC.

Here is the list and why

BP FF (Noob) Unless you plan to go diving don't bother with the gen. There is no significant difference. I have both and have had the opportunity to examine them side by side.

Zenith type 20 Extra special. I have held both the rep and the gen in my hands and made direct examination. Very slight hand and dial texture difference visible only with loupe and in good light.

Cartier Santos 100 XL
No difference that I can detect with side by side comparison. Even on the gen the cabochon is synthetic and not of higher quality than the Rep.

Rolex Submariner (Noob V7 AS 3135) Unless you plan to go diving IMHO there is not any significant difference I have owned 4 gen Ceramic Subs and still have one .

Pam 111 (Noob V4) Exactly the same in every way in a side by side examination . If you are hyper critical the gen has a tiny bit better finish in the movement plates and wheels .

I almost put the JF AP diver on this list but holding the gen and rep in my hand there are very slight differences n the level of finish in the screws around the bezel , but that is all. Close !

I am sure I will find more watches over time which are not worth buying in Gen.

Anyone want to add to the list of watches which are simply not worth buying in Gen

A great thread! Perfectly agree with you about Cartier Santos. The only thing every potential buyer of a rep must have in mind, are the screws on the bezel!)))




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[Mr.Marbella]

I have to disagree on the rolex part. [MENTION=121094]timnic54[/MENTION]

Since march I have purchased quite a few rolex reps, and yes at first glance they look very similar, but when you compare a gen rolex to a rep you will notice a few things here and there..

I have never seen a stock noob rolex without the usual factory " flaws ". Misaligned markers, cyclops or DW ( sometimes all together ) and a very dirty movement, although the ones I got keep great time..

Once you hold a Gen Sub-C in your hands, the Noob bracelet will feel VERY bad compared to gen. Sharp edges, shitty clasp and unstable links off wrist.

Now don't get me wrong I love reps and don't take my watch off for no-one lol, but IMHO a Noob V7 is defo no super rep and if 1 can afford I highly suggest to go gen.

I recently got into APs, and unlike rolex I have never owned a AP ROO, but stock, they feel way more authentic than any rolex rep !

Throw in a gen dial, custom DW and tachy and you got yourself a killer AP rep. With rolex you can change dial, dw ,bezel, upgrade to a yuki etc and you will still get called out because of the shitty bracelet..

In the end everybody has to decide for themselves which watch is worth going gen for. Just because the santos is really close to gen doesn't mean that there is no cartier fan who would like his " grail " watch to be gen someday, regardless of how close the rep is to gen.

1 month ago I would have NEVER considered buying a gen ROO, today my mind has changed its up to you if its worth it or not.