Well if you're happy throwing away $250 watches the first time they need maintenance then good for you, there's no reason they shouldn't last as long (or longer if they are repairable with gen parts) as a similarly priced gen
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Well if you're happy throwing away $250 watches the first time they need maintenance then good for you, there's no reason they shouldn't last as long (or longer if they are repairable with gen parts) as a similarly priced gen
Which latest copy of the DSSD do you have? Leave beside the fact that [MENTION=56255]Subjeff[/MENTION] introduced Submariners and you referred to them, I guess it's you who geeds to tell yourself that the gens are "worlds apart" in quality to justify the fact that you spent 30times the price of the Rep. Are there differences between Rep and Gen? Of course, there are and noone would argue against this. But are those differences really notworthy? I guess everybody has a different view. For you the the winding is of relevance whereas I give a dumb f*ck about it. The rotor would annoy me as well, thank's God humanity discovered the lubricating oil. Bracelet "very obvious"? I wonder what that means. Have you tried a oil bath for the bracelet? Anyway, the fun fact is that you did not mention two aspects I would consider as relevant on theses watches. The "OGEV" on the one hand an the lume on the other hand. These are really "huge" differences from my point of view but don't seem to bother you since you consider the colour of the back as proof of quality which is nonsense because this is not a question of quality but a question of accuracy.
I said it before to a guy whose views are very much comparable to yours: I have a couple of Gens since I did not know how good these Reps are when I bought them. In the past I bought one to two Gens per year, since I' ve joined it did not spent a single minute considering buying another one - okay, I considered buying a Speemaster Professional since I can't stand the Reps of it, but decided to increase my Rep collection instead.
I agree.
As for the winding. There is no magic nor fairy dust in a 3135. The mainspring is wound from the stem via a click wheel. Any difference between 2824, AS3135 or a Rolex 3135 in terms of winding will be purely subjective. You turn the stem The mainspring winds
Gen is on the left. Now take this picture and shrink it to the size of a silver dollar and have someone hold it 5 feet away while moving it. Unless you know the tells like capped CP, insert color etc...it's a hard tell even in the hand. The gen is nice but it's not $8k+ nicer.
The gen is obviously a nicer watch and the rep is arguably better value (20x price difference). To play devil's advocate and ask an unanswerable question (but in line with the theme of the thread), at what price would the gen be of equal value to a Noob v6 or v7? If the gen was $2000 or $3500, I'd pick it everytime. If it was $5000, I'd have to think twice. So I guess $4000 would be parity for me.
If I were to buy a gen sub for $4k and service it twice over 10 years, I'd be close to $5.5k in. On the other hand, I could buy a BK sub every 3 years and still come out cheaper.
Considering all that, I think I'd go a BK sub and a a TC if I had a couple of grand to spare. But if I had $8k, I'd just buy a gen. Ideally I'd have $10k and buy all three.
I'm rambling now sorry.
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+1 on subjective.
In the first place they are different movement, a gen rolex 3135 winds like a 3135 and a ETA clone winds like an ETA. Try a Miyota 9015 if you want smooth winding.
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Ultimately, you are paying $300 for a rep, which is of relatively good value and quality.
If you paid $8000 for a nice gen, yes the quality is very nice, but hey you paid $8000.
"Worth" is subjective. One would rather buy the gen and the other rather get a rep. Which ever floats your boat.
If you paid $8000 for a nice gen, yes the quality is very nice, but hey you paid $8000.
"Worth" is subjective. One would rather buy the gen and the other rather get a rep. Which ever floats your boat.
Look bro, when I got called out I posted a pic. You are saying it is a shitty rep because you have no idea. Man up, you were trying to prove a point with nothing to back it up. OK here. Bought from Andrew at Trustytime. Now please enlighten me as to why it is a shitty rep.
http://www.trustytime01.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=1_8&products_id=13186
http://www.trustytime01.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=1_8&products_id=13186
There is no need. First of all that Prohunter costs about $25K and obviously if they see it on someone's wrist who cannot throw away $25K on a watch they'll call them out.
I didn't call you out I asked for pics. In the photo it looks like a budget rep. Also you were talking about $250 now you say it is a rep costing closer to $450. Maybe its the photo, but the CGs look like they may have shrunk in the wash and the DW is so left justified it's about to join the communist party. I don't dispute anything you claim BTW. I am not in the disputing business. Oh and I didn't call it a shitty rep, you did. I called it a budget rep. I also have nothing to prove to you or anyone else.
Actually the Pro Hunter is the copy. I have the gen Deep Blue costing less than half that.
Man, that was an interesting bickering. 
I think the spirit of the original post is to talk about watches that are replicated so well that the visual tells are minimal to none, and to me that's incredibly helpful.
I also think at the end of the day what something worth to a person is up to that person's personal value system. We would be kidding ourselves if wearing your reps would give you the same feeling as your gen - I know I would. How much that feeling is worth is up to each person to decide. To me - as a newb, this rep game is opening up a world of which I would have not have any access to otherwise. I love these high end watches' design, and love that I get to wear them for a few hundreds.
Although.. that SMPc sale is mighty tempting..
I think the spirit of the original post is to talk about watches that are replicated so well that the visual tells are minimal to none, and to me that's incredibly helpful.
I also think at the end of the day what something worth to a person is up to that person's personal value system. We would be kidding ourselves if wearing your reps would give you the same feeling as your gen - I know I would. How much that feeling is worth is up to each person to decide. To me - as a newb, this rep game is opening up a world of which I would have not have any access to otherwise. I love these high end watches' design, and love that I get to wear them for a few hundreds.
Although.. that SMPc sale is mighty tempting..
Couldn´t put it better :wow:
It all comes down to the $10.000 after taxes question. If You already have gens, spend the next 10k on reps. If You have no gens, spend the first 10k on reps, with the next 10k You may well go and buy one gen, maybe with some change left over. Imho a good approach to it all.
If You live in Luxembourg, Monaco, Switzerland - You can pay for the gen from yearly IRS savings alone, if You live in Singapore with the overtaxed, crazy prices for cars, i.e Toyota Corolla Altis 1.6 Standard (A) = $107.888; depreciation: $9.900/Year - it´s the logical decision to buy gen watches instead. If you live in the EU, You have to decide if it´s worth to pay 30% more than elsewhere for the exact same gen. If You live in the U.S. the $5 per gallon gas savings (compared to the EU) alone will buy You a free $10k gen after every 2.000 gallons You put in the tank. The World is a colourful place and like many others I´d need a 500k gen watch budget to be really satisfied (= buy without thinking or asking the price).
Man, that was an interesting bickering.
I think the spirit of the original post is to talk about watches that are replicated so well that the visual tells are minimal to none, and to me that's incredibly helpful.
I also think at the end of the day what something worth to a person is up to that person's personal value system. We would be kidding ourselves if wearing your reps would give you the same feeling as your gen - I know I would. How much that feeling is worth is up to each person to decide. To me - as a newb, this rep game is opening up a world of which I would have not have any access to otherwise. I love these high end watches' design, and love that I get to wear them for a few hundreds.
Although.. that SMPc sale is mighty tempting..
I agree, about the point of the thread. I started the thread so that the posts may be useful to those deciding what to buy.
What I will say though is that I tend to wear my reps more than my gens, and I do have a considerable collection of gens. I wouldn't honestly say that wearing a gen per say makes me feel any better than wearing a rep. I feel differently about different watches. If I wear my Moser I relish the wonderful twin barrel movement and the amazing architecture of the solid platinum case, for example. But when I wear my JF AP diver I marvel at HTF they have managed for around $400 dollars a watch so incredibly close to the gen in feel, looks and function that nothing would tempt me to buy the gen. In a way it is much more fun and puts a huge smile on my face to wear the rep.
It is not as if anyone notices the watch I am wearing, never mind if it is rep or gen!
Afaik, New rolex from AD used to come with 2year warranty. It has recently (2015) been extended to 5years. I've only purchased second hand Rollies (never new) - they only come with 1year warranty.