Noob V4 Daytona's

[ettorefranco]

I have the gen 116500 white dial bought Oct 2019 and it has the pure white dial and the four lines of fine print below ROLEX. I also own the Noob V3 with poor quality bezel and slim subdials and the latest V4 with a fantastic quality bezel and correct thickness subdials. There is slight difference in colour of the black subdials compared with my gen watch. Can’t really describe the difference in hue and shine. Overall I’m very happy with my Noob V4 OOTB and have gotten used to the bold 5 lines of text.

So if anyone has the creamy white dial, don’t be sad. It can be period correct. If anyone has the dial with bold 5 lines of text, don’t be sad either. That is also period correct.

Have fun everyone! Wear your Noob Daytona with pride. I’ve friends who know that I have both gen and Noob 116500 and they can never tell which one I’m wearing every time they see me. lol.

P.S There has never been a gen 116500 with thin subdials. The size has never changed.

It is always interesting when a forum member proposes topics with new unexplored theories.
What you have posted offers a different vision than what I have read so far in this thread and in others.
In my personal experience, however, I can tell you that your contribution contrasts with what I have seen in reality and with the many pics that I have been able to see online.
Personally, recently, I was able to check on my wrist a 2017 116500 with a white dial from a friend of mine and I can assure you that the color is pure white and that it has thin writing. With the same friend we made a comparison with a mutual acquaintance of ours who had just received his new 2020 Daytona with white dial and here we noticed that the only difference with that of 2017 is in the bold lettering, while the color is always pure white.
I see the same thing every time on Chrono24 where there are countless 116500s for sale. It will be superfluous but I have extracted two pics from Chrono24 showing a specimen of 2017 and one of 2020.
But of course this is only my personal experience.

 

[Dayton]

I agree with you on most of the observations.

Yes there are dial variations with the white color from pure white to a slight cream. (i posted a pic a while back of two gens from the same year)

Yes, there are slight variations of the font thickness of Rolex, and the 4 lines of text.

But there have never been a gen variation with sloppy uncrisp 4 lines of text and a donut O in Rolex, like you see on noob dials

The only ever correct rep panda dial is still the ARF v2 (But only the one with correct sized sub dials )

I agree with you 100 percent regarding the donut O in ROLEX and the poor quality print of the 5 lines of text.

From what I’ve seen so far, the ARF V2 with the correct thickness subdials is the closest to gen. The only problem is finding a watch smith who is willing to modify the dial to fit the 4130 movement.

 

[2841]

I agree with you 100 percent regarding the donut O in ROLEX and the poor quality print of the 5 lines of text.

From what I’ve seen so far, the ARF V2 with the correct thickness subdials is the closest to gen. The only problem is finding a watch smith who is willing to modify the dial to fit the 4130 movement.

That’s actually not that hard There is a handful of people here on the forum that will do it. I currently have 2 build going. I’ll do a review when I see the final result

 

[Dayton]

It is always interesting when a forum member proposes topics with new unexplored theories.
What you have posted offers a different vision than what I have read so far in this thread and in others.
In my personal experience, however, I can tell you that your contribution contrasts with what I have seen in reality and with the many pics that I have been able to see online.
Personally, recently, I was able to check on my wrist a 2017 116500 with a white dial from a friend of mine and I can assure you that the color is pure white and that it has thin writing. With the same friend we made a comparison with a mutual acquaintance of ours who had just received his new 2020 Daytona with white dial and here we noticed that the only difference with that of 2017 is in the bold lettering, while the color is always pure white.
I see the same thing every time on Chrono24 where there are countless 116500s for sale. It will be superfluous but I have extracted two pics from Chrono24 showing a specimen of 2017 and one of 2020.
But of course this is only my personal experience.

I’m also very confused with what I’ve “read” on the Japanese magazine. Maybe the author was wrong or maybe Google translate got the earlier and later examples wrong. I also agree with what you’ve researched and observed on your own gen watch. What surprises me is that Rolex made so many subtle changes in such a short production period for the 116500.

 

[Dayton]

That’s actually not that hard There is a handful of people here on the forum that will do it. I currently have 2 build going. I’ll do a review when I see the final result

Please let me know if you have a white dial Noob V4/ARF V2 Franken build for sale. I’m still searching for perfection and once I’ve found it, I might sell off my gen.

 

[ettorefranco]

I’m also very confused with what I’ve “read” on the Japanese magazine. Maybe the author was wrong or maybe Google translate got the earlier and later examples wrong. I also agree with what you’ve researched and observed on your own gen watch. What surprises me is that Rolex made so many subtle changes in such a short production period for the 116500.

Yes, what you say is true. It would almost seem that Rolex randomly proposes different versions of the dial over time with small differences in the writings. Instead the pure white dial is a constant in all dials aside, it would seem, a single case that a thread member posted some time ago.
Dial Arf is really very nice and the writings are very well done but I have yet to see one in pure white because the ones I have seen so far are almost creamy white.
Creamy white is an instant tell much more than the O donut that requires a hawkish sight to be noticed

 

[ettorefranco]

Yes, what you say is true. It would almost seem that Rolex randomly proposes different versions of the dial over time with small differences in the writings. Instead the pure white dial is a constant in all dials aside, it would seem, a single case that a thread member posted some time ago.
Dial Arf is really very nice and the writings are very well done but I have yet to see one in pure white because the ones I have seen so far are almost creamy white.
Creamy white is an instant tell much more than the O donut that requires a hawkish sight to be noticed

In this regard, I publish from an Italian thread a post by @JohnnyDepp, one of the most popular and highly experienced modders on RWI:

"Dial ARF lo eliminerei a priori...si ha delle belle scritte, ma il suo colore bianco panna è inguardabile. E aggiungerei compass molto sottili. ( poi dipende dai Mark)
Il gen e bianco latte.
Attualmente la miglior combo è noob v4, bezel clean factory e gasket trasparente, il cristallo va benissimo quello stock noob."

Translated below:

"Dial ARF I would delete it first... it has beautiful writing, but its creamy white color is unwatchable. And I would add very subtle compasses. (then it depends on the Marks)
The gen is milky white.
Currently the best combo is noob v4, bezel clean factory and clear gasket, the stock noob crystal is fine."

 

[rek00001]

Stevier88, could you please elaborate on the dial and bezel issues, I'm no expert. Thanks much

 

[2841]

Yes, what you say is true. It would almost seem that Rolex randomly proposes different versions of the dial over time with small differences in the writings. Instead the pure white dial is a constant in all dials aside, it would seem, a single case that a thread member posted some time ago.
Dial Arf is really very nice and the writings are very well done but I have yet to see one in pure white because the ones I have seen so far are almost creamy white.
Creamy white is an instant tell much more than the O donut that requires a hawkish sight to be noticed

Noob on the left, ARF in the right.... wow yes, the ARF dial is really horribly creamy, it’s almost yellow

Can we please stop this nonsense now. If you bought a V4 and you are happy with it, good for you, but there are no instant tells on the color of the ARF dial. No matter how you view it, it’s superior to the noob

 

[ettorefranco]

Noob on the left, ARF in the right.... wow yes, the ARF dial is really horribly creamy, it’s almost yellow

Can we please stop this nonsense now. If you bought a V4 and you are happy with it, good for you, but there are no instant tells on the color of the ARF dial. No matter how you view it, it’s superior to the noob

It is useless to publish photos with unlikely colors, I OWN an ARF dial like yours and I know it very well but I put it in the drawer because I will never mount it in my Noob V4. I will consider it when Rolex makes a creamy dial, that is, never!

 

[2841]

It is useless to publish photos with unlikely colors, I OWN an ARF dial like yours and I know it very well but I put it in the drawer because I will never mount it in my Noob V4. I will consider it when Rolex makes a creamy dial, that is, never!

So a side by side shot of the 2 dials we are talking about is useless... Okay

But you claims without photos is the way to go.... Okay

"When Rolex makes a creamy dial" Like the photo i posted a while back showing to gens from the same year with different colored dials... Okay

And by the way, the dial you bought from Storm069 last month, is not a correct v2 dial, actually subdial size, subdial number placement and daytona text was pretty bad

You are very entitled to your opinion, and i respect that you like your v4 dial, and that you think that's it right for you.

But for the sake of new members or exiting members who is seeking actual information, lets keep the facts and opinions separated

 

[Mark1937]

Noob on the left, ARF in the right.... wow yes, the ARF dial is really horribly creamy, it’s almost yellow

Can we please stop this nonsense now. If you bought a V4 and you are happy with it, good for you, but there are no instant tells on the color of the ARF dial. No matter how you view it, it’s superior to the noob

This ARF dial it isn't the counters correct version. They are too thin. The one with correct counters it isn't creamy! It have the same gen white color!

 

[ettorefranco]

So a side by side shot of the 2 dials we are talking about is useless... Okay

But you claims without photos is the way to go.... Okay

"When Rolex makes a creamy dial" Like the photo i posted a while back showing to gens from the same year with different colored dials... Okay

And by the way, the dial you bought from Storm069 last month, is not a correct v2 dial, actually subdial size, subdial number placement and daytona text was pretty bad

You are very entitled to your opinion, and i respect that you like your v4 dial, and that you think that's it right for you.

But for the sake of new members or exiting members who is seeking actual information, lets keep the facts and opinions separated

It is useless to make other side by side comparisons, there are many in this thread that also make new members understand how things are.

The side by side photo of the two Daytona that you posted is unique, try to find others like that if you can.

I note with curiosity that you are interested in my purchases, I hope for you that you have better things to do.

Anyway in my opinion Your Arf dial has the wrong color and thin subdials. You had the ingenuity to put it next to the Noob V4 to make everyone understand how thin they are. For me it wasn't a smart move...

But I'm glad you're happy with your Arf dial, so enjoy it!

 

[Mark1937]

 

[ettorefranco]

This ARF dial it isn't the counters correct version. They are too thin. The one with correct counters it isn't creamy! It have the same gen white color![/QUOTE


Your Arf dial is the nicest I've seen in this thread ma nessuno mi leva dalla testa che correggi il colore della foto per farla sembrare più bianca (la scritta Daytona è un po' troppo scura...)
I think you understand Italian, right?

 

[Mark1937]

This ARF dial it isn't the counters correct version. They are too thin. The one with correct counters it isn't creamy! It have the same gen white color![/QUOTE


Your Arf dial is the nicest I've seen in this thread ma nessuno mi leva dalla testa che correggi il colore della foto per farla sembrare più bianca (la scritta Daytona è un po' troppo scura...)
I think you understand Italian, right?

)))))) e perché dovrei correggerlo? No bro. Color of correct ARF v2 panda dial is not creamy. It is white like gen. Not ICE white like Noob ;-)

 

[ettorefranco]

)))))) e perché dovrei correggerlo? No bro. Color of correct ARF v2 panda dial is not creamy. It is white like gen. Not ICE white like Noob ;-)

hahahaha, mi sa che non me la racconti giusta! However yours is the best one. ;-) Poi mi dici n'dove l'hai presa....

 

[Mark1937]

Gen dial

 

[ettorefranco]

dial

Just like my yellowish Arf dial :clap_1:

 

[rockdaytona]

Fat is better than thin