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New Sub up on Toros - Noob V2?

set2374

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I see a sub-c on someone's wrist maybe once or twice a month in the real world and I am an attorney that works in NYC. I consider myself to be very knowledgeable when it comes to this model, but there is no way I can tell whether that guy standing five feet away from me on the subway is wearing a gen or rep (unless its true canal street crap). The loupe type stuff you night seen in these macro pictures is all very interesting, but these "flaws" are invisible in the real world. If you love the sub-c buy the noob v2. I promise you that no one is ever going to know it's a rep unless you ask them to examine the damn thing for 10 minutes and they were at least huge horology nuts. Even a horology geek won't spot your rep sub-c because from a holorological standpoint, it's just a tool watch from a mass maker, not a watch they would likely interest them enough to want to examine it closely. To them, it's just another Rolex

Finally, if you ever think you could get a rep Rolex for under $1000 that could fool an experienced dealer or AD (I am not talking about the cute girl at the counter who sells Daytonas to sixty year olds using her tight ass amd big fake tits), think again. The only rolex reps that are that good are made by Phong and will cost at least $4,500. Seriously, if you want a sub-c the Noob.V2 is a no brainer. Don't worry, you'all be able to resell in a couple of hours it you want to dump it a couple of months.


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Aldo69

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Hope you have a secretary who spell checks your depositions for you mate lol
 

set2374

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Hope you have a secretary who spell checks your depositions for you mate lol

LOL... It's hard posting by mobile phone using tapatalk in a train!

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Sums it up very nice!

I would also add that I have been buying rolllie Reps for almost ten years so I have owned just about all the different versions out there. I have had my Noob C prototype for almost a month now and as it has been accurately stated, the "feel" of this watch is as close to Gen as I have seen, but equally impressive to me is the quality of the Stainless Steel (SS) used in this watch on two accounts.

Having owned a few Gens there was always something the Rep SS lacked when compared to a Gen in the looks and in the actual hardness of the steel. Until recently and still on some of the lower end Reps, you will notice the SS does not have the bright color of the SS on a Gen. This lower quality SS has a grey tinge to it. Something that is very difficult to see in pictures but very obvious in natural light. We all know this occurs because Rolex uses a higher grade propitiatory SS that is much harder than 316SS.

The harder SS of a Gen not only looks brighter than a lot of the Rep SS, but the Gen SS does not scratch nearly as quick as Rep SS. Over the years I have noticed that the Rep SS receives light desk diving scratches and the factory brushed finish is quickly degraded when compared to a Gen that is very difficult to scratch up. When this light scratching occurs it further dulls the finish of the SS on a Rep and next to a Gen it looks real obvious. In my experience the type of dullness that occurs to Rep SS in a few weeks is the equivalent to what would take years to scratch and dull up a Gen. This requires constant polishing and refinishing of the bracelet on a Rep to keep it Gen looking.

In the last month of of wearing this watch constantly, this is what I have noticed about the Noob Sub C

1. The SS has that bright Gen look
2. The brushed finish is virtually identical to a Gen
3. When I first received the watch I polished the SS lightly and the polish cloth remained clean, void of black residue
4. Over the last month no light scratching on the bracelet what so ever. Even on the bottom of the clasp which is extremely easy to scratch
5. When I cleaned the watch again with a light polish, virtually no black residue as when I first received the watch.

Bottom line, the SS on this watch is awesome. Not the thing you see from pictures on a computer screen. I think it is worth noting that no matter how tight your end links are or how deep the engraving of your bezel is or no matter how many of the other perceived micro flaws people obsess over are corrected, it would be of no value if the watch had low quality SS. Basically a watch would be worthless unless all you wanted to do was take pictures of your watch and admire them on your computer screen if it had the low grade SS that is common on Reps.

This watch was meant to be worn and I must say, the fact that it does not scratch easily and still has that bright Gen look to the SS after almost a month of wear is impressive. For me, the other tiny "Flaws" people rush to claim they have found on this watch are not nearly the give away that it is a replica watch as low quality SS would be .

And in the department of the quality of the SS, this watch truly is a Super Rep!

Thanks Jake!
As others who have quoted you here can attest, your comments have made me consider buying this, as I had not been interested in purchasing a Sub. I've had a few Canal St versions in the past, and felt I've had my fill of it, but your posts, and a few others who have given great feedback, has put this back on my list of watches to purchase.

I appreciate your quality posts.
 

wepiii

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All of these posts are even more of a reason for me to fit it with a gen bezel lol. $1800 is a fraction of the cost of a gen. And yes I know there aren't any available. But I imagine at some point there will be
 

Aldo69

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Wepii, are you serious? Ad rather put my pennies in a jar and buy a gen Sub-C lol
 

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Sums it up very nice!

I would also add that I have been buying rolllie Reps for almost ten years so I have owned just about all the different versions out there. I have had my Noob C prototype for almost a month now and as it has been accurately stated, the "feel" of this watch is as close to Gen as I have seen, but equally impressive to me is the quality of the Stainless Steel (SS) used in this watch on two accounts.

Having owned a few Gens there was always something the Rep SS lacked when compared to a Gen in the looks and in the actual hardness of the steel. Until recently and still on some of the lower end Reps, you will notice the SS does not have the bright color of the SS on a Gen. This lower quality SS has a grey tinge to it. Something that is very difficult to see in pictures but very obvious in natural light. We all know this occurs because Rolex uses a higher grade propitiatory SS that is much harder than 316SS.

The harder SS of a Gen not only looks brighter than a lot of the Rep SS, but the Gen SS does not scratch nearly as quick as Rep SS. Over the years I have noticed that the Rep SS receives light desk diving scratches and the factory brushed finish is quickly degraded when compared to a Gen that is very difficult to scratch up. When this light scratching occurs it further dulls the finish of the SS on a Rep and next to a Gen it looks real obvious. In my experience the type of dullness that occurs to Rep SS in a few weeks is the equivalent to what would take years to scratch and dull up a Gen. This requires constant polishing and refinishing of the bracelet on a Rep to keep it Gen looking.

In the last month of of wearing this watch constantly, this is what I have noticed about the Noob Sub C

1. The SS has that bright Gen look
2. The brushed finish is virtually identical to a Gen
3. When I first received the watch I polished the SS lightly and the polish cloth remained clean, void of black residue
4. Over the last month no light scratching on the bracelet what so ever. Even on the bottom of the clasp which is extremely easy to scratch
5. When I cleaned the watch again with a light polish, virtually no black residue as when I first received the watch.

Bottom line, the SS on this watch is awesome. Not the thing you see from pictures on a computer screen. I think it is worth noting that no matter how tight your end links are or how deep the engraving of your bezel is or no matter how many of the other perceived micro flaws people obsess over are corrected, it would be of no value if the watch had low quality SS. Basically a watch would be worthless unless all you wanted to do was take pictures of your watch and admire them on your computer screen if it had the low grade SS that is common on Reps.

This watch was meant to be worn and I must say, the fact that it does not scratch easily and still has that bright Gen look to the SS after almost a month of wear is impressive. For me, the other tiny "Flaws" people rush to claim they have found on this watch are not nearly the give away that it is a replica watch as low quality SS would be .

And in the department of the quality of the SS, this watch truly is a Super Rep!

i think everyone should reread this thread again...
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/ss-316l-vs-82263

almost all the high quality reps these days use the same steel and i don't think anyone is seeing any difference visually here unless you're some type of a metallurgist.

this watch is getting way too much hype...
what has really changed here?

new case: which unless you're taking a micrometer to the gen and the older rep no one was ever really seeing the millimeter differences.

correct hour hand: wow, what an advancement.

new pearl: this is something to get excited about because it really is spot on.

what else...?

this is not a V2, it's more correctly the THIRD version of a sub c the noob fac has come up with.

same dial with the same hour markers (with all the problems people have with the BP, it still has more correct looking hour markers)

same incredibly shizey parnis ceramic insert which, i'm sorry boys, i can spot in about 2 seconds on any rep close up or 5 feet away. and that spectacular pearl is not hiding the incorrectly shaped triangle. everyone who has never seen a gen before better give their heads a shake and take the next train out of denial because this is the biggest problem with this watch and it's still not fixed. what is the largest physical feature on this model watch....THE BEZEL.

if you want a cool looking nicely finished watch and don't really care about the replica aspect of this hobby then this watch is probably going to be the bees knees for you, but if you're in this game for accuracy and a truly aesthetic proper reproduction then this watch is still a letdown. believe me, you have no idea how much hope i held for this release because i have sold off all my ceramic rollies even after doing my 4P mod because i could just not live with the biggest, most obvious feature on the watch, and that being the feature that makes the gen such a spectacular piece, being completely fugazied.

the shape and precision of the engravings, the font, the perfect reflectivity of the ceramic surface...the platinum...it just ain't happening on the reps, as much as you want it to be...it is not happening with this current version, or any previous for that matter. the 4P mod is only changing the color of the engravings and does nothing to address the actual physical properties of the ceramic insert. this is from my 116710LN gen bezel build...bad rep inserts, and this new noob sub is no different.

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i could go on posting tens of pictures of gen bezels that show the precision and beauty of the engravings but i'm just tired of this now. and tired of hearing people go on about how this insert is no big deal and looks fine....:frusty:

i did my 4P mod thread initially as a stop gap measure to try to make the inserts more gen like. i honestly thought it was a sure thing that someone was going to correct this giant flaw with the next iteration...but no.

patience is a virtue and perhaps in the coming months we will see some change here.
rant over, as you were.
 

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Pilworx, I agree totally on the bezel front, how hard would it be to change the milling tool up a nanometer to produce a slightly "fatter" font engraving? At the factory, and working to the tolerances they are, than I honestly dont thing this would have been to hard to "fix".
The PPP also should be a given, but as your brilliant tutorial has proved, its not really that hard to achieve given minimum funds and/or ability.
HOWEVER,
The one thing I have to agree on, and it has maybe been overseen by the vendors, is the SS used in the New Noobs.
I have worn the V1 day in, day out since I received it.
Car maintenance, gardening, playing with the kids, gym, it has taken the works mate, and there is honestly, hardly a nick or desk dive mark on it.
I actually think its a different type of stainless being used here. I've had DSSD's GMTII-C's and Daytonas, all of which could, at the drop of a hat, mark or scratch like a menopausal female.
This thing is made of different stuff in my book.
Many have used the word "lustre" but it genuinely does have a presence, brought about by the lustre. Its a hardy b4stard, and I would love to know if the factory have mixed it up a bit, as they could be missing out on the biggest sales pitch ever.
Just my opinion mate, having lived with one for almost 6 weeks now. Really hope you get a look and feel at one soon.
Cheers
Al
 

pilworx

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you think if they had used some new steel config that the dealers wouldn't be all over that in the sales pitch? when they initially switched to 316F it was advertised everywhere, that was the main tag line.
 

Aldo69

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I dont doubt it for a moment, but all I am trying to say is, this thing is made f different stuff.
A not blowing the Noob trumpet by any manner of means Pil, as its heading back to intime for a keyless repair already, damned pikey 3135, but av worked with metal, in one form or another, mostbof my professional life, and this is nothing like the previous offerings from any of the factories, and am sure any other early adopters would agree.
 

Capt. Obvious

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I have a V1. Will compare when it gets there.
Maybe its same steel, but differently finished?
 

Aldo69

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Av told you, there is no V2, its smoke and mirrors mate hahaha
 

Aldo69

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You worried? You worried? You worried?...............
Am buying an Explorer hahahaha
 

wepiii

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Yes I'm serious. If it is as nice as you guys keep saying, and you added a gen bezel, it would be a fantastic watch. I can justify spending $1800 on a watch. $7500 is another story
 

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i think everyone should reread this thread again...
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/ss-316l-vs-82263

almost all the high quality reps these days use the same steel and i don't think anyone is seeing any difference visually here unless you're some type of a metallurgist.

this watch is getting way too much hype...

Perfect example of when you need to ask yourself...

Does this guy even own the watch or does he just sit at home and compare pictures on a computer screen?

Don't have to be a "metallurgist" to know if the color of the SS is close to a Gen in color, if the finish not looks right, but feels right or the metal scratches easily or not.

Bottom line is that there is way way to much obsessing and hand wringing going on about micro measurements gleaned from pictures, that even if corrected, would not matter if the Rep bracelet really doesn't look anything like the Gen bracelet in real life. And this one gets it right!

Way to much over thinking bud. It's not that complicated. This is a great watch with tiny weeny "flaws" that are more than offset by the excellent bracelet and from what I have read, the people who actually own the watch agree with the above and not the magnified picture comparing computer geek squad who don't even own the watch.....


You can buy the watch now or exercise your desire to wait a few months, but until you own the watch, trying to comment on what people who actually own the watch are saying regarding the quality by comparing pictures from a flat computer screen comes across as a little uninformed if you ask me...