Daam this doesn't sound good. This was going to be one of my next buys but I really don't want to be paying £200 every time something goes wrong with it. How many times have you sent yours to a watchmaker?I am in the same boat. This is the last time it goes to the watchmaker. Movement has to be fully disassembled, cleaned, checked and it is a £200 bill.
I won’t buy another one until this movement is upgraded. I don’t mind the rotor to be honest. As you perfectly said above, it is the keyless and the fragility which are concerning.
Edit: and as far as I know, individual parts are still not available for this movement? The question is why?
Reps are all about patience!(yes 67-02, I am looking at you but you aren’t ready for me
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New PPF 5712 with PP240 Super Clone.....
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This is the weak part. It seems the quality metal used in the rep is not great (maybe it is made of cheese). This tiny part alone cost $95 and that's for a replacement rep part, not gen as they aren't interchangeable. I love this watch but the movement means it's not for the faint of heart.
Its not the metal, its the manufacturing of the teeth on the clutch. The teeth on the rep are too thin which makes it brittle and prone to breaking sending those metal shards into the movement.This is the weak part. It seems the quality metal used in the rep is not great (maybe it is made of cheese). This tiny part alone cost $95 and that's for a replacement rep part, not gen as they aren't interchangeable. I love this watch but the movement means it's not for the faint of heart.
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Yes, this is exactly what I'm fearing with my movement, because sometimes when I pull out it feels like almost like a teeth is missing in the winding gear or something, and I'll hear some funny sounds,
I've owned 35+ watches so I know what watches are meant to sound like, it just feels "off".
Sigh and more sigh
ExtortionateThis is the weak part. It seems the quality metal used in the rep is not great (maybe it is made of cheese). This tiny part alone cost $95 and that's for a replacement rep part, not gen as they aren't interchangeable. I love this watch but the movement means it's not for the faint of heart.
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With all these Patek clone movements (and possibly all rep movements in general), it seems like a combination of a lack of adequate knowhow in metallurgy and manufacturing techniques, plus low quality/ basic tooling and a lack of proper QC that lead to poor outcomes like this. It seems as though many of these clone movements have awful (near unusable) timekeeping performance and serious reliability issues.
$95 truly seems extortionate for this small part - I am guessing there is additional labour on top to install? All for a delicate part that is unfortunately likely to fail again within a short time.
$95 truly seems extortionate for this small part - I am guessing there is additional labour on top to install? All for a delicate part that is unfortunately likely to fail again within a short time.
This is the weak part. It seems the quality metal used in the rep is not great (maybe it is made of cheese). This tiny part alone cost $95 and that's for a replacement rep part, not gen as they aren't interchangeable. I love this watch but the movement means it's not for the faint of heart.
You could always buy the gen and get the quality you're looking for.
With all of the issues that seem to be arising with the v2 and now v3 5712 movements, I still think the v1 is the best way to go. There just seem to be so many cons of the latest versions for the limited pros (updated clasp and working PR).
Not only that, but dealers are selling off the v1 cheap as chips these days, I bought the steel and RG versions just recently for $288 each! if you aren't bothered about having a working PR then I truly believe that v1 is the way to go. You could even swap the bracelet with the modern one if you wanted.
Otherwise, it's buying a v3 and keeping everything crossed that nothing goes wrong, or the more costly option of buying an Ace movement, which at that point, you may as well splurge on an SW dial, hands, moondisk and capped pinion mod whilst you're at it.
Not only that, but dealers are selling off the v1 cheap as chips these days, I bought the steel and RG versions just recently for $288 each! if you aren't bothered about having a working PR then I truly believe that v1 is the way to go. You could even swap the bracelet with the modern one if you wanted.
Otherwise, it's buying a v3 and keeping everything crossed that nothing goes wrong, or the more costly option of buying an Ace movement, which at that point, you may as well splurge on an SW dial, hands, moondisk and capped pinion mod whilst you're at it.
Essentially, these are your 3 options from my perspective:
1. Buy a lovely looking v.1 for half the price of the latest vesrion, with an (imo) much nicer dial colour and moondisk and a workhorse movement
2. Buy the latest version, keep it stock (or do minor mods like SW upgrade and hope nothing goes wrong woth the timebomb movement
3. Go balls to the wall, buy the v3, ace movement, SW upgrades etc and have an insane watch for an equally insane price
All we live in a good time to have these options.
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Obviously, but this is beside the point. While unrealistic to expect a truly comparable product (particularly in terms of things like finish quality) for 1% of the retail price, I don't think it's asking too much to expect a product that at bare minimum functions within an acceptable degree of usability and that doesn't fall apart almost shortly after purchase.
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Agree with you. Personally don't know how reliable the V1 is but at under $300, it's hard to argue with, particularly given that beautiful blue dial.
I had a v1 a few years ago and it was great, never had any issues with it. Of course, I'm just 1 person but I don't recall their being too many issues with the movememt from other members that have owned/still own one.
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I’ve had the ace movement installed since May, so far no issues!
Daily wearing one for some time now, and I am extremely ungentle with it:
- A decorative cog got loose, stuck in the balance wheel (missed it in QC and was flying around somewhere the whole time) and messed with the regulation. Took the cog out and regulated the watch to between -2 / +2 depending on PR, but consistent across all axis.
- Dropped a literal hammer on it (don't ask -just doing a “quick thing”), resulting in a very light crack in a layer of the crystal visible when the light just hits right. Then replaced the crystal with an even clearer more gen sized one, which is a tad thicker and not only looks better, but this one will probably damage a dropped hammer.
Due to the price and comfort, I will probably never get rid of the 5712 V1 even though I am eyeing a 5726 white dial for a patek winter daily.
Mine is in good shape too, and aesthetically it is surprisingly close to my gen 5712r 240 caliber (I don’t inspect them with a loupe)
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If they have any left, any TD should be able to get it for you, it wasn't exclusive to any particular dealer.
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Asking for specifically which dealer as the few I contacted don't have it at that price.
Well, I got the v1 a month ago . At the discount price . it looks great but I admit than having an « automatic » watch with an useless balance wheel bums me off a little . I don’t expect Patek quality at 348$ but I do expect a self winding movement when I buy one …