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New PAM312 VSF in the Making with P9000 After PAM441
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It's like having to pick a favorite among your children. It's impossible. :lol:
Just received my 312 with the new clone movement, and I'll agree with all the previous assessments. The movement is very very close, but not perfectly accurate. I noticed the difference in the shape of the "notch" in the top plate (smoother flowing than the gen, which actually looks more awkward than the rep), and the axis end of the rotor which slightly protrudes into that open "notch" area, unlike the gen. Also visible, is the teeth of a gear at the 2:00 position, where the gen is smooth. The date wheel font seems slightly more off-white than the gen, as far as I can determine. Crown guard engravings maybe look a bit shallow, but I have nothing to compare it to except photos.
But don't let this dampen enthusiasm for this one. I'm extremely impressed with the gen-like feel and absolutely excellent finishing! I've had a few excellent PAM reps. A few years ago, I had a gen 111 and bought a Noob rep to wear daily in its place. The accuracy was so good, really had a hard time justifying keeping the gen (only on the front; that movement was an instant give-away), so I sold it. Then I replaced the rep 111 with a 243, which was supposed to be even more accurate, and became my new daily (even with its flaw: thin polished bezel edge). Honestly, this 312 "feels" as good as either of them, maybe even better, and far exceeds the average 'wrist test' for visual accuracy. I'd say that you'd have to be extremely familiar with the 312, 328, or the P9000 movement to call this one out, and no one is going to do that unless you hand them the watch.
Rep strap still sucks, IMHO. I have a new, high quality aftermarket on the way.
But don't let this dampen enthusiasm for this one. I'm extremely impressed with the gen-like feel and absolutely excellent finishing! I've had a few excellent PAM reps. A few years ago, I had a gen 111 and bought a Noob rep to wear daily in its place. The accuracy was so good, really had a hard time justifying keeping the gen (only on the front; that movement was an instant give-away), so I sold it. Then I replaced the rep 111 with a 243, which was supposed to be even more accurate, and became my new daily (even with its flaw: thin polished bezel edge). Honestly, this 312 "feels" as good as either of them, maybe even better, and far exceeds the average 'wrist test' for visual accuracy. I'd say that you'd have to be extremely familiar with the 312, 328, or the P9000 movement to call this one out, and no one is going to do that unless you hand them the watch.
Rep strap still sucks, IMHO. I have a new, high quality aftermarket on the way.
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I just got my vsf 312 , the rehaut and crystal look higher compare to my kw 312 . I still prefer kw 312.
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Hi Beith,
May I ask which of the maker has the best DW of PAM312?
I'm trying to replace the DW because of the font of VSF is a little too dark, but I'm not sure which DW is more accurately...
Thanks a lot!
I"ve got one of these on the way - can you recommend a high quality aftermarket strap that is consistent in appearance with the 312?
The beauty of owning a PAM is that the choice of straps is endless. You just go with what you like or match with anything else you're wearing. It's your choice.
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Interesting thread, still not quite sure about the differences between the 9001 and the 9000.
I know he isn`t a trusted dealer here but Perfect Clones has a Pam382 Bronzo on his site with the P9000 movement, calling it not a mod of the 7750 but a new breed of movement.
I wasn`t so interested in the Panerai but am now looking closely at the Bronzo, or a ceramic version perhaps, as they look great.
I know he isn`t a trusted dealer here but Perfect Clones has a Pam382 Bronzo on his site with the P9000 movement, calling it not a mod of the 7750 but a new breed of movement.
I wasn`t so interested in the Panerai but am now looking closely at the Bronzo, or a ceramic version perhaps, as they look great.
The 9001 has a GMT function, power reserve indicator on the back as well as a very handy seconds reset. The 9000 is just hours, minutes and seconds along with the datewheel complication.
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P.9000 movement, as described by Panerai itself.
P.9001 movement, as described in the same website.
The P.9000 movement mentioned in that dealer's website is the one used in the new PAM312 from VSF, a visually accurate movement clone of the P.9000 with the balance wheel @7. It is not a mod of the A7750, because the A7750 has the balance wheel @11.
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Ah right, thankyou.
Both the Ceramic version with the 9001 and the Bronzo with the 9000 looked very nice it has to be said. There do seem to be some differences though, with some saying that they have a new movement, calling it a P9001, with others saying that they have just slightly changed a 7750.
Both the Ceramic version with the 9001 and the Bronzo with the 9000 looked very nice it has to be said. There do seem to be some differences though, with some saying that they have a new movement, calling it a P9001, with others saying that they have just slightly changed a 7750.
The gen PAM441 Ceramica is using a P.9001 and the gen PAM382 Bronzo is using a P.9000, so their latest reps are using the same rep movement with the balance wheel @7 but with some minor modifications to make it look either like a P.9001 or a P.9000, depending on what watch we're talking about. I don't know who these others you're talking about and where they are stating this but if they are referring to the latest P.9000/P.9001 movement, they are simply wrong in saying the factory slightly changed the A7750. Moving the balance wheel from 11 o'clock (in the case of the A7750) or 6 o'clock (in the case of the ST2555), which have long been a glaring flaw in P.9000/P.9001 based reps is not what I would call slight.
The p9000 and p9001 are clones of the gen, I don't thibk they are based off the 7750. Totally different movements.
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Technically they aren't clones of the gen, as they do not have the functions of the gen movement (and the power reserve display onthe P.9001 is faux).
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It may be that the dealers are using different ways of describing the same thing, which would make sense, from a marketing perspective.
So I take it that the 9000 and the 9001, even if they are only made to look like the gen and nothing else, are looked upon favourably? Is it a decent movement in and of itself?
So I take it that the 9000 and the 9001, even if they are only made to look like the gen and nothing else, are looked upon favourably? Is it a decent movement in and of itself?
Can't say as of this point. The movement is relatively new to repdom so reliability can't be established just yet.
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Well I`m possibly looking at the Bronzo, which has the movement, I may have to one of the guinea pigs and find out.
You are correct on the functions. I meant on the look. Vsf pretty much copied the p9000 and p9001 with the same layout (mostly) and correct balance wheel. Sure function wise is not the same, but it looks like the did copy almost everything else
Definitely not a 7750. The older ones wuth incorrect balance wheel maybe from 7750 but not the vsf.
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