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My Rolex 6542 Project

JAFO

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What's a jube?

Also, 8mm would make this a fantasy model, right?

Jube - jubilee bracelet

Yeah, it didn't have an 8mm. And it might actually be too big. Now, as far as it being a fantasy model...as far as I know, NO 6542 Pan Am had gold hands. But I put them on mine because it's a gilt dial and I just felt like it needed it. But honestly - these watches go for around 65 grand so it's a fantasy for me no matter what lol!

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You guys like that riveted bracelet? Really? I mean, it looks good. But the damn thing has springs inside the links that allows it to stretch and that makes it stiff. It's comfortable and all, but I prefer a jube. Hell, maybe I'll leave it on here for a while and see how it grows on me.
 

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You guys like that riveted bracelet? Really? I mean, it looks good. But the damn thing has springs inside the links that allows it to stretch and that makes it stiff. It's comfortable and all, but I prefer a jube. Hell, maybe I'll leave it on here for a while and see how it grows on me.

The rivet on that thing is badass.

Now if you want to wear a jube, just start another watch project ;)
 

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This is truly a great thread and well worth keeping for reference. What is 007-59 first I thought of KAL 007 but that was not Pan Am.. So???

Oh and would it be totally wrong to put that case back on my 1675, of course I would use different numbers , unless its in memorial.


The 007 would be the issue number, and the 59 would be the year of manufacture



Heres a quote from the net about the Pan Am GMTs

" Due to Pan-Am.'s ever increasing fleet of Boeing 707s the vast majority of the early watches produced went to the company, each plane had a Pilot, a First Officer and a Navigator all of whom were issued with GMT Masters and Pan-Am had several hundred crews all issued with a company GMT Master.

These watches bore no company logo; no "Property of" markings and no special dials, apart from one strange bunch of 100+ watches made in 1958 especially to solve a problem inside the airline's Chrysler Building head office (they did not move to the new Pan-Am building until the early 1960s).

The problem was simply that as the watches arrived in the head office before being sent off to the field offices for issue to the flight crew, they would be requisitioned by senior management who felt that they, rather than the flight crews, were the ones who deserved a new company Rolex.

This happened on a regular basis until one day Juan Trippe, the mercurial head of Pan-Am glimpsed one of the watches on the wrist of an executive and wanted to know why it was not on the wrist of a pilot. The situation was explained to him; the pilots had everything, the gold braid, the titles, and the brand new Boeing jets and now they even got great watches.

The executives felt shunned, they saw themselves as the basis of the company's success but were fed up of being treated as second class citizens. Trippe did not like the situation and ordered that all the GMT Masters in the building should be returned to the operation department for subsequent issue to flight crews.

However to mollify the executives Trippe had Rolex manufacture a batch of 100+ GMT Masters solely for the "desk pilots"; these differed from the flight crew (and all other) GMT Masters in that they had white dials. They are believed to be the only GMTs made with this colour dial, the order proved a godsend to Rolex as they made these watches in 1959 with the last of the old model 6542 cases; for the new model was waiting in the wings."
 

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Interesting you have done some serious research. was it you that did a white Dial, I know i saw one here?
 

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This is truly a great thread and well worth keeping for reference. What is 007-59 first I thought of KAL 007 but that was not Pan Am.. So???

Oh and would it be totally wrong to put that case back on my 1675, of course I would use different numbers , unless its in memorial.

Hell no it wouldn't be wrong to put a Pan Am case back on your 1675! They only made like 200 hundred Pan Am 6542s, I believe. GBOAC would be the guy who knows exact numbers. But...Pan Am didn't go under until 1991. So it wouldn't be too far of a stretch to imagine some Pan Am pilot having his 1675 engraved.

The 007-59 serial number... The 6542 is also known as the Pussy Galore, because Pussy wore one in Goldfinger. Hence the 007 in the serial number. Now, I didn't come up with the idea of the 007 in the serial number. I stole that straight off Delaforce's 6542 that he built LOL! I knew about the Pussy connection to the watch, so when I saw Dela's piece I said "Hmm...should I be original and come up with my own special serial number or steal Dela's?" So I stole it from Dela and made sure and gave him the credit earlier in the thread. He's banned now - I don't know why and I don't want to know or discuss it. I just wanted to give credit where credit is due.
 

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The White Dialed 6542....that may be one of the most hotly contested pieces of Rolex history around. Supposedly they never made even one white dialed 6542. GBOAC did some research and others have to that pretty much prove it never existed. Well, it did, but it was a refinish and not as issued by Rolex. Or the other stories about them are true. I love reading about them and NEVER get tired of new information or a different take on the white dialed ones.

I do like the white dialed reps. A lot. But the ol' black/gilt dial is what hooked me so that's what I went with. I do wish I could get a couple extra inserts from the factory. I may have to ask Lucy again to see if she can get me like 5 or 10. Yes, I know there's a Jedi next door who makes them. But I don't know if they're the same size as what's on this piece. If I could just get like 5 or 10 inserts from the factory, I'd strip them, put yellowed looking lume in the numbers and repaint the back with much darker blue and red. Then take some lacquer and coat the top side of the insert. Then take an ice pick to the top of the insert and hack away at it. Then that sumbitch would look right.
 

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I think I would but my Birth date X-XX-1962 just for fun.

That's the best part - you can do whatever you want to. Justin does incredible work and I don't just recommend him - I'm telling you that if you're gonna have engraving done you HAVE to reach out to him. The PAN AM in the engraving is just so damn nice. It's perfect. It's so damn good I can't bring myself to scuff up the case back yet.
 

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Hot debate on the white dial is as old as rolex itself. It probably never existed. Rolex had never went public in acknowledging the authenticity of it. To be fair, rolex was always known as a tool watch maker during those times. They probably never had the recording systems which patek kept
 

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I think even the White Dial Letter was debunked too. I find it to be one of the most fascinating stories/debates around. But, again, build whatever speaks to you. If that white dial is calling your name - hell, get one! Either way, I guarantee you'll enjoy the watch. But you gots to have the Pan Am engraving. It really completes the piece and it's just too damn cool. And I know this guy who can do it for you....
 

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I think I would but my Birth date X-XX-1962 just for fun.

Then you must do XXX-62 (or XXXX-62 if you was born after september and have a double digit birthdate)
 

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I think even the White Dial Letter was debunked too. I find it to be one of the most fascinating stories/debates around. But, again, build whatever speaks to you. If that white dial is calling your name - hell, get one! Either way, I guarantee you'll enjoy the watch. But you gots to have the Pan Am engraving. It really completes the piece and it's just too damn cool. And I know this guy who can do it for you....


I chose to believe the White dialed units did exist, if for no other reason , its just a cool story !
 

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I chose to believe the White dialed units did exist, if for no other reason , its just a cool story !

Exactly. And the best part of it is this: Who the hell is going to be able to argue against it and provide definitive proof? LOL Nobody! And it doesn't matter either way. If you want a white dialed one then get one! And when you're passing it around to your friends, you can tell them all the stories about the white dialed 6542s and why you chose to rep that one. And honestly - it all comes down to having a great story to tell.
 

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6542 yeah boyeeeee!

Freddy33 over on RWG has a freaking kick a$$ gen parts build 6542 with white dial. The thing is just sick. He's got it posted in the last few days of the daily wristies threads.
 

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Here is one of Freddy333's 6542s. I hope it is ok that I borrowed his pic to share. Look at how amazing this is.

The 6542 is my favorite GMT hands down. I'd love to build one.

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