My KW 417 QC pics - (PAM Boutiques Kuvarsit pics and QC pics ALLOWED)

[Klockis]

Just to add to ALE's impressions on the CG.
While taking these pics I noticed the lever can be seen on the inside corner on both the H-fac and Noob (a bit less on the Noob) but not on the KW.

Also the snap and tightness when closing the KW lever are not as good as the Noob and H-fac. But having owned lots of both Noob and H-fac I know this will vary between watches.
That’s why we don’t pay $699 for these watches, the tolerances are higher to keep the price down..

Also worth noticing is the bevel on the crown.
The KW looks very nice but it has too much chamfer, the Noob are almost perfect in this regards.

I also have to agree with others that the lever pin is great looking on the KW.

Ok, back to taking pics

 

[JoehwrfcJ]

I'd say that my KW 417 is the most gen looking and feeling pam rep I have had, especially as I have it on a gen Assolutamente strap

 

[GWT#1]

here are my qc pics does this from what anyone can tell look like the kw version?





it is supposed to be the KW version really can't tell any help will be appreciated

 

[Klockis]

Yes, that is the KW 417.
I know since I have been staring at one for 16 hours straight today and taking pics..
Feels like I know every corner of this watch by now :lol:

 

[FreMM]

Are there other PAM models made by KW which are of exceptional quality and maybe even better than Noob or H Fac?


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[nlnlnlnene]

Personally I'm waiting for them to make a 005

 

[ALE7575]

I'd say that my KW 417 is the most gen looking and feeling pam rep I have had, especially as I have it on a gen Assolutamente strap

I agree with you

I repeat I'm not yet talking about accuracy just about genn look.
We will see about accuracy after the reviews
ALE

here are my qc pics does this from what anyone can tell look like the kw version?
it is supposed to be the KW version really can't tell any help will be appreciated

Yes it is a KW 417.
No doubts
Even it seems to have a better CG than mine one. More uniform and square inner edges, mainly in back side.

ALE

 

[ALE7575]

I know since I have been staring at one for 16 hours straight today and taking pics..
Feels like I know every corner of this watch by now :lol:

The same for me ... LOL...
Many hours in front of KW watch. am:
:hehehe:
ALE

 

[JoehwrfcJ]

Are there other PAM models made by KW which are of exceptional quality and maybe even better than Noob or H Fac?


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Soon there will be more models, I think 005 and 390 are next.

 

[JoehwrfcJ]

I agree with you

I repeat I'm not yet talking about accuracy just about genn look.
We will see about accuracy after the reviews
ALE



Yes it is a KW 417.
No doubts
Even it seems to have a better CG than mine one. More uniform and square inner edges, mainly in back side.

ALE

Mine have lovely square edges, as you can see in the very accurate QC pics.

I can't stress the difference a gen Assolutamente makes. Whist the KW asso is nice and has great padding and stitching the colour is all wrong.

 

[GWT#1]

thanks guys when it arrives I will do photo shoot in my light tent try to get some quality pics and do a comparison with noobs and h maker

ALE may need you to help edit it down but will do my best!!

Thanks again for the quick look at qc I'll rest easy while waiting!

 

[ALE7575]

Many thanks Klockis for your comments

Some comments about yours:

“While taking these pics I noticed the lever can be seen on the inside corner on both the H-fac and Noob (a bit less on the Noob) but not on the KW.â€
This is normal due to the KW is thinner, like GEN lever. KW is the most accurate lever at this moment.

“Also the snap and tightness when closing the KW lever are not as good as the Noob and H-fac. But having owned lots of both Noob and H-fac I know this will vary between watches.â€
I have before already commented this question. As we know by Rwolf posts, the KW watches are fitted in CG pin with a rubber gasket, like the GEN has.
That rubber gasket gives to the lever a smoother working, but without losing the reliability of its function: to press the crown down.



When you are opening or closing the CG lever in a Noob or H maker, you have to overcome the elasticity of the metals of the parts involved. In KW watch you have overcome just the elasticity of the rubber gasket. That provides a smoother working without affecting the function. If you observe the lever working of a KW 417 you can see how the crown is clearly pressed down like the other ones.
I agree with Klockis about tolerances and variations in Noob and H maker. But I assure you that the rubber gasket will provide more uniform behaviour in KW watches with the same degree of tolerances, like occurs in GEN watch. This is another advantage of the rubber gasket

Besides Noob and H maker are using a little mechanical trick to assure click feeling: they are surpassing a little the “final†position. As you can see following the green line in below pics. In the figure it is showed that green line surpasses the orange line, then Noob and H maker lever surpasses the “final†position and are down the horizontal.
As you can see in the pic KW and GEN are in the same line.



Another interesting comparison is the roller zone of the lever. You can see that angle “H†and mainly “N†are bigger than angle “G†of GEN and KW watches. We can see that Noob and H maker have more FAT roller lever zone, as you can see easily in the pic. The roller zone of KW lever is almost the same as GEN zone.

“Also worth noticing is the bevel on the crown.
The KW looks very nice but it has too much chamfer, the Noob are almost perfect in this regards.â€
I have compared the enlarged pics of the four Crown and leaving aside the H maker that seems it has a less chamfer, I honestly see almost the same GEN, Noob and KW.
Since KW crown is "Slim" like GEN and H maker and Noob is "Fat", I honestly think that KW is the best Crown in the market.



“I also have to agree with others that the lever pin is great looking on the KW.â€
No doubts the best one by far. Really small but a very GEN-like detail.

Back to study and review the watch.

Klockis, I think we must to stop comments, because In this way we will make a review by instalments… LOL….

ALE

BTW:
Interesting for married men:
My wife now prefers KW-417 better than Hmaker-390 (her last preferred) and she is telling to friends I have received at last a different watch (??)

 

[ALE7575]

Pros & Cons of CG-LEVER-PIN-CROWN of new Kuvarsit 417

The Kuvarsit CG has an awesome finish and the fitting CG-lever is completely flush and perfect. The best in reps
The CG Lever shape is almost the same as GEN. The best in reps.
The CG pin is very GEN-like, almost perfect.

The only flaw in KW CG is that the inner edges are not as square and clean than GEN and Noob.
Not only the edges are less square but they are a little uneven and front and back edges have differences. Because the inner sides of the “notch†are not completely flat. As you can see in below pic.

Noob and GEN have these surfaces completely flat and the result is a cleaner and crisper edges in every aspect.
GEN most likely is machined by a broaching process (see Polonus thread about PAM 089) and it seems that Noob is made, or at least finished, by a similar process.
KW CG is made evidently by a more conventional filing type process.
Below pic shows the curved inner surface of the inner sides of CG notch. Which denotes the process is not broaching.



Please bear in mind that these flaws are almost microscopic and that you cannot see them without a lens. We are comparing the KW CG with the GEN and the almost perfect Noob CG.
The quality of this KW CG is clearly far from the imperfections of a H maker CG.

As a group CG-LEVER-PIN-CROWN of Kuvarsit is the closer to the GEN, followed for Noob and, far from them, H maker (just a little improved for the accuracy of its Crown)

ALE

 

[ALE7575]

Mine have lovely square edges, as you can see in the very accurate QC pics.

I can't stress the difference a gen Assolutamente makes. Whist the KW asso is nice and has great padding and stitching the colour is all wrong.

As above said you need some enlargement to see the differences with GEN and Noob but threre are them.

Yes I noticed this difference form the beginning. But the strap is changing of colur just handling the watch!!
Anyway you can change the colour with some easy treatment.

ALE

 

[Xman]

Just a small correction, the roller ball pin to cg lever pin angle (pin to pin) is what partially determine the torque applied to the lever and pressure needed to move it. Not the "shape" of the lever end.
Just thought it was worth mentioning
Great write up so far guys, really enjoying it!!

 

[d4m.test]

Hum great review so far... My KV was shipped out on Thursday.. I'm sure this has been addressed in the past but how is the quality of his asso strap is it worth upgrading to gen?

 

[Rwolf]

great job Ale!

 

[Rwolf]

I'd like to see the crown tube

 

[ALE7575]

Just a small correction, the roller ball pin to cg lever pin angle (pin to pin) is what partially determine the torque applied to the lever and pressure needed to move it. Not the "shape" of the lever end.
Just thought it was worth mentioning
Great write up so far guys, really enjoying it!!

Hi Xman
Many thanks for the input

Technically you are completely right, and I would need to explain clearly the process to be more precise and faithful to the truth.

The angle difference of the line CG PIN to Roller PIN is one of the parameters what determines the necessary torque to turn the lever.

In left side on below pic you can see a lever installed (like Noob) to get a big angle difference, see MAX angle indicated. That position produces a big difference of level between the positions Lever CLOSED and MAX Strain to be overcome. In this way we get a STRONGER snap

In right side you can see a lever installed (like GEN and Kuvarsit) to get a smaller angle difference, see MIN angle indicated. That position produces a smaller difference of level between the positions Lever CLOSED and MAX Strain to be overcome. I this way we get a SMOOTHER snap.



I hope everything is clear now

ALE

 

[12lurk]

Fascinating stuff, top notch review.
Any news on the timing of the 390? 360?