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[ALE7575]

So sad about the lugs!

Here's the weight of genuine articles :

PAM005 : 120 grams

PAM 111 : 132 grams

so the KW is closer to gen in weight? interesting.

Please, we have to be rigorous !!

Let's know the real things weighed by Klockis and the source and things weighed by Komodo info.

And the we will compare.

Noob and KW are accurate enough in dimensions, shape and structure to get very similar weight than the GEN.

But be careful, following Komodo info, PAM 111 has different weight than PAM 000, surely due to caseback differences and dial differences. Sandwich dial should be more heavier than sausage.

ALE

 

[d4m.test]

Here's the website I used to obtain the data, please scroll all the way to the bottom.

http://www.network54.com/Forum/638808/thread/1323806566/Which+is+the+heaviest+PAM-

 

[Klockis]

Just put them back together..
I used my own personal 41x with Noob V3 case-set to get some useful data.
(Noob V3 case-set with H-fac dial/movement and caseback)
As you can see the KW is only 2g lighter than the Noob and the same weight as H-fac.
The Noob is the exact same weight as a gen 005.

 

[ALE7575]

Many thanks Klockis

Closed matter !!
ALE

 

[mysterio]

Here's the website I used to obtain the data, please scroll all the way to the bottom.

http://www.network54.com/Forum/638808/thread/1323806566/Which+is+the+heaviest+PAM-

Appreciate the link Komodo, however I take the accuracy of the data with a grain of salt. As the poster noted:

From various sources while trawling the web, weight of some PAMS>>>

December 15 2011, 12:53 AM


Disclaimer: I did not weigh these pieces personally, so it could be very well off!

Data from the same post:

PAM111 - 132g
PAM127 - 132g

It's pretty incredible that a 47mm watch would weigh the same as a 44mm watch (both based on the calibre OP XI movement). Since the people who made the measurements are different, it's highly possible their weighing scales would have some error (unless they were calibrated according to ISO procedures) and that error just magnifies when there is more than one scale used. Now if only the Risti with the massive collection of PAMs for sale (forgot the forum probably the same one) would weigh the watch heads individually using one calibrated scale... :thumbsup:

 

[tranzmizzion]

 

[w4tchnut]

Just happen to be wearing my beater that looks remarkably similar, except for the sandwich dial and lack of a pig. Which Pam is this?


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[mysterio]

Just happen to be wearing my beater that looks remarkably similar, except for the sandwich dial and lack of a pig. Which Pam is this?


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You just get one feature different and it's a different PAM. :lol:

You have a PAM111E, what was then called the Angus Ultimate.

 

[w4tchnut]

You have a PAM111E, what was then called the Angus Ultimate.

Amazes me how you guys can keep track of these details.
Thanks for the clarification.

 

[nlnlnlnene]

Some interesting info here

 

[COLDI]

I still don't like the Cg

 

[d4m.test]

Hmmm.. it can always be rounded up which is a relatively easy mod, but the lugs cannot be helped.

 

[s3g0y]

What's wrong with the CG and lugs? I must have missed that.

 

[mysterio]

What's wrong with the CG and lugs? I must have missed that.

It's in the last few pages (hint hint).

 

[kaniel]

The think that worries me more is the reounded inner edges of the CG...
But some of them look more square than others.:thinking:

 

[s3g0y]

But what's wrong with the lugs? One fellow had the first impression that the lugs are somehow wrong but after that he wrote that it was about the strap, not lugs. Is that what you mean about the lugs?

Anyway - when can we expect the full review?

 

[ALE7575]

I still don't like the Cg

Please COLDI, could you say why?
Your input would be appreciated
Thanks
ALE

 

[ALE7575]

The think that worries me more is the reounded inner edges of the CG...
But some of them look more square than others.:thinking:

Concerning innes edges, there are some KW differences due to the process of production.
KW is much better than H maker but at this regard always worse than Noob, in square edges and uniformity front to baclk and uniformity between batches.

However the lever shape and roller end are much better in KW
Regarding CG PIN the best one is KW (almost perfect) and the best placed H maker! . Noob is placed higher and KW is placed displaced to the right side (to outside).
I don't knob yet about the lever tip.

ALE

 

[ALE7575]

But what's wrong with the lugs? One fellow had the first impression that the lugs are somehow wrong but after that he wrote that it was about the strap, not lugs. Is that what you mean about the lugs?

Anyway - when can we expect the full review?

Sorry mate, we are not well paid professionals. We are making that for pleasure, in our free time and many of us trying to learn, to search the truth and share it to help people.
But we cannot be pressed.
Wait a couple of weeks, please
ALE

 

[s3g0y]

Ale, mate, I'm very far from pressing you. Believe me I appreciate the great work you do and it's perfectly clear to me that you do it as a hobby.
I was just curious and I'm really looking forward to seeing it like many other fellows here.

Best regards to you sir.