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My KW 417 QC pics - (PAM Boutiques Kuvarsit pics and QC pics ALLOWED)
- Thread starter JoehwrfcJ
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Mine KW 417 has just arrived (the one from the QC pics in the first post.) and I thought I'd lend some thoughts about the watch, before I get round to some detailed photos.
I also have a Noob 000 with the latest updates, and having had 3 111v3s 2 005 v.2.5s a 177 and a 26 from noob I can say that this is the nicest feeling case of the lot. Noob cases can really vary from watch to watch. But all the models I've had use the same case.
417v000 some notes
Case; the feel of the cases is very similar, both are nice and sharp and look great. Nothing for me to say here, although the lug screws are flush to the case on the KW and more gen than the noob as they are almost always a bit too short.
Crown gaurd; this is actually where the factories differ most.
The crown pin on the KW is the best I've seen on a rep, most noob pins sit slightly raised and a a touch too small for the whole so you get a little gap round the pin itself, they are also too short and this is easy to see on the reverse side. The pin on my 000 is flat to the crown gaurd but has a small gap and is too short.
The KW crown pin is very slightly reassessed from the crown gaurd which is more gen like and is larger leaving no gap, it's also longer. Overall looks much more gen like.
The crowngaurds are a different shape however, the KW is thinner than the Noob leaving a bigger gap between the crown (which is more gen on the KW) and the crowngaurd, ALE will have to do a comparison to gen but I feel noob will be closer.
The lever on the KW is gen shape and much better than the Noob altjough the noob has a nicer snap.
Caseback; these are obviously different as the 417 has the NYC caseback engraving, but all I can say I'd both are great and the KW looks and feels nice an deep, top marks to both here.
Dial, these are too different to compare but the KW looks sooooo gen. It's nice and subtle and the pig is great.
Lume, the lume is incredible on the 000, the KW is not as good but still decent.
CP and hands, is slightly ressed from minute hand on the KW which is more gen than the Noob which sits level with the minute hand, both sets of hands look spot on though.
Buckle, I've always liked the noob buckle, having compared it to gen it's almost perfect (it's a little sharper inside and the PRNC is known to be a rep code) the KW looks to be of similar quality but is a little more rounds and has a different code but both are excellent.
Anyways just thought I'd share some quick comparisons between my two pam reps
I also have a Noob 000 with the latest updates, and having had 3 111v3s 2 005 v.2.5s a 177 and a 26 from noob I can say that this is the nicest feeling case of the lot. Noob cases can really vary from watch to watch. But all the models I've had use the same case.
417v000 some notes
Case; the feel of the cases is very similar, both are nice and sharp and look great. Nothing for me to say here, although the lug screws are flush to the case on the KW and more gen than the noob as they are almost always a bit too short.
Crown gaurd; this is actually where the factories differ most.
The crown pin on the KW is the best I've seen on a rep, most noob pins sit slightly raised and a a touch too small for the whole so you get a little gap round the pin itself, they are also too short and this is easy to see on the reverse side. The pin on my 000 is flat to the crown gaurd but has a small gap and is too short.
The KW crown pin is very slightly reassessed from the crown gaurd which is more gen like and is larger leaving no gap, it's also longer. Overall looks much more gen like.
The crowngaurds are a different shape however, the KW is thinner than the Noob leaving a bigger gap between the crown (which is more gen on the KW) and the crowngaurd, ALE will have to do a comparison to gen but I feel noob will be closer.
The lever on the KW is gen shape and much better than the Noob altjough the noob has a nicer snap.
Caseback; these are obviously different as the 417 has the NYC caseback engraving, but all I can say I'd both are great and the KW looks and feels nice an deep, top marks to both here.
Dial, these are too different to compare but the KW looks sooooo gen. It's nice and subtle and the pig is great.
Lume, the lume is incredible on the 000, the KW is not as good but still decent.
CP and hands, is slightly ressed from minute hand on the KW which is more gen than the Noob which sits level with the minute hand, both sets of hands look spot on though.
Buckle, I've always liked the noob buckle, having compared it to gen it's almost perfect (it's a little sharper inside and the PRNC is known to be a rep code) the KW looks to be of similar quality but is a little more rounds and has a different code but both are excellent.
Anyways just thought I'd share some quick comparisons between my two pam reps
Great initial impression Joe. One question, would you say the KW dial looking so gen is because of the crystal (as Kuvarsit implied, it is a "gen crystal")?
The crystal looks great, and sits better in the case than the Noob, but the dial would be nice under the Noob crystal too
Thanks Joe for sharing your first impressions.
The thing that worries me more is the CG as you said is thinner than the Noob... And Ale said inner corners are more square on Noob and on KW are a little rounded...
We will see better on the CG comparison vs GEN.
Thanks!
The thing that worries me more is the CG as you said is thinner than the Noob... And Ale said inner corners are more square on Noob and on KW are a little rounded...
We will see better on the CG comparison vs GEN.
Thanks!
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Many thanks Joe for your detailled pre-review.
I will do some comments after read it carefully.
And I will comment about the CG, because I think that all them are very similar concerning dimensions. I am measuring them and i wil publish the results in about one hour.
I really think that the Crown and CG are perfect.
We will see
ALE
I will do some comments after read it carefully.
And I will comment about the CG, because I think that all them are very similar concerning dimensions. I am measuring them and i wil publish the results in about one hour.
I really think that the Crown and CG are perfect.
We will see
ALE
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Rep. CROWN GUARD measurements and comparisons
Hi all
Already finished the measurements and comparisons of CG.
I have taken the measurements from:
PAM 147- Kuvarsit
PAM 177- Noob N-series
PAM 390- H maker
I have measured too the PAM 029 Noob V2, but it is obviously almost the same as PAM 177. So I have avoided these measures. Sorry I have not here a PAM 111 Noob (I have lent mine to a friend)
The measurements are indicated in below picture.
Note we could get some variations from a item to other even in the same models, because we are dealing with replicas, but the diferences will not be significative in practice.
Regarding thcikness Kuvarsit CG (which I get) is even thicker than my Noob or my H maker.
IMO we must not be worried about the CG dimensions. They all are the same in practice, as you can see.
ALE
Hi all
Already finished the measurements and comparisons of CG.
I have taken the measurements from:
PAM 147- Kuvarsit
PAM 177- Noob N-series
PAM 390- H maker
I have measured too the PAM 029 Noob V2, but it is obviously almost the same as PAM 177. So I have avoided these measures. Sorry I have not here a PAM 111 Noob (I have lent mine to a friend)
The measurements are indicated in below picture.
Note we could get some variations from a item to other even in the same models, because we are dealing with replicas, but the diferences will not be significative in practice.
Regarding thcikness Kuvarsit CG (which I get) is even thicker than my Noob or my H maker.
IMO we must not be worried about the CG dimensions. They all are the same in practice, as you can see.
ALE
- 18/1/11
- 19,846
- 423
- 83
Mine KW 417 has just arrived (the one from the QC pics in the first post.) and I thought I'd lend some thoughts about the watch, before I get round to some detailed photos.
I also have a Noob 000 with the latest updates, and having had 3 111v3s 2 005 v.2.5s a 177 and a 26 from noob I can say that this is the nicest feeling case of the lot. Noob cases can really vary from watch to watch. But all the models I've had use the same case.
417v000 some notes
Case; the feel of the cases is very similar, both are nice and sharp and look great. Nothing for me to say here, although the lug screws are flush to the case on the KW and more gen than the noob as they are almost always a bit too short.
Crown gaurd; this is actually where the factories differ most.
The crown pin on the KW is the best I've seen on a rep, most noob pins sit slightly raised and a a touch too small for the whole so you get a little gap round the pin itself, they are also too short and this is easy to see on the reverse side. The pin on my 000 is flat to the crown gaurd but has a small gap and is too short.
The KW crown pin is very slightly reassessed from the crown gaurd which is more gen like and is larger leaving no gap, it's also longer. Overall looks much more gen like.
The crownguards are a different shape however, the KW is thinner than the Noob leaving a bigger gap between the crown (which is more gen on the KW) and the crowngaurd, ALE will have to do a comparison to gen but I feel noob will be closer.
The lever on the KW is gen shape and much better than the Noob altjough the noob has a nicer snap.
Caseback; these are obviously different as the 417 has the NYC caseback engraving, but all I can say I'd both are great and the KW looks and feels nice an deep, top marks to both here.
Dial, these are too different to compare but the KW looks sooooo gen. It's nice and subtle and the pig is great.
Lume, the lume is incredible on the 000, the KW is not as good but still decent.
CP and hands, is slightly ressed from minute hand on the KW which is more gen than the Noob which sits level with the minute hand, both sets of hands look spot on though.
Buckle, I've always liked the noob buckle, having compared it to gen it's almost perfect (it's a little sharper inside and the PRNC is known to be a rep code) the KW looks to be of similar quality but is a little more rounds and has a different code but both are excellent.
Anyways just thought I'd share some quick comparisons between my two pam reps
Comments to JoehwrfcJ First impressions
Firstly, thanks again Joe to take the time doing these interesting observations. Really nice and precise mini-review.
I will comment your own observations:
“this is the nicest feeling case of the lotâ€
This was my first impression too.
Please note we are not talking about accuracy just the feeling and look.
You get the feeling that you are in front of a different degree of finish and gen-like look.
“The crown pin on the KW is the best I've seen on a repâ€
I agree with Joe completely
“The crownguards are a different shape however, the KW is thinner than the Noob leaving a bigger gap between the crown (which is more gen on the KW) and the crownguardâ€
Reading my last post I must disagree at this regard. The CG are very similar if not identical.
Maybe Joe and me are meaning different things.
“The lever on the KW is gen shape and much better than the Noob altjough the noob has a nicer snap.â€
I agree concerning shape of lever and roller, KW is the most gen like.
Concerning snap, bear in mind that KW is fitted with a rubber gasket in the axle and then working of the lever will be smoother although more sure.
“Dial, these are too different to compare but the KW looks sooooo gen. It's nice and subtle and the pig is great.â€
As commented in my First impressions post I agree completely.
“Lume, the lume is incredible on the 000, the KW is not as good but still decent.â€
Bearing in mind my few and quick observations, waiting for more detailed test and Klockis info, I must agree with Joe.
“Buckle, I've always liked the noob buckle, having compared it to gen it's almost perfect (it's a little sharper inside and the PRNC is known to be a rep code) the KW looks to be of similar quality but is a little more rounds and has a different code but both are excellent.â€
I agree, KW Bucle has a very good finsh and seems excelent. Even the more rounded inner edges (very subtle) are more gen and that will get less damaged the strap
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I really miss some comments about the crystal, which impressed me from the first view. I think the crystal is one of the causes of the ood look of the dial.
What are your impressions about the crystal? Are you bothered by the subtle purple tint?
Nice Review, congrats Joe
ALE
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I agree the dial is good and will look nice too under Noob crystal.
But I'm almost sure that this KW crystal enhances the quality of the dial and gives to the watch a very gen-like aspect. Just my opinion. Read my comments in my First Impressions post.
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showpost.php?p=1379377&postcount=98
ALE
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Rep CROWN GUARD - INNER EDGES- Klockis pics
In order to conclude the discussion about CG Inner square edges, I will advence some studies from the general Review now in preparation
THESE FANTASTIC PICS WERE TAKEN BY KLOCKIS for the final Review (Thanks)
Concerning inner edges and square shape, you can see below the comparisons pics of CGs
- As you can see GEN has perfect square inner edges and perfectly aligned and uniform.
- Noob is the more close, with very good square inner edges but a little out of the line. NOTE the CG pin is plaloced a liitle HIGH, this is new becuase some people had said the KW was LOWER. The real thing id that Noob is placed HIGHER !!. As already know by Angus comparisons thread the roller zone of the lever has wrong shape.
- KW is good enough but doesn't get the perfect square inner edges of Noob and is a liottle missaligned too. CG pin is very well placed . Roller zone of the lever is the best regarding shape.
- H maker is much more worse. All is worng: rounded square inner edges, rounded all edges even external, there are misaligenements too. But the pin is well placed. The Roller zone is wrong but better than Noob.
Really interesting conclusions here.
ALE
Thanks again Klockis for the pics
In order to conclude the discussion about CG Inner square edges, I will advence some studies from the general Review now in preparation
THESE FANTASTIC PICS WERE TAKEN BY KLOCKIS for the final Review (Thanks)
Concerning inner edges and square shape, you can see below the comparisons pics of CGs
- As you can see GEN has perfect square inner edges and perfectly aligned and uniform.
- Noob is the more close, with very good square inner edges but a little out of the line. NOTE the CG pin is plaloced a liitle HIGH, this is new becuase some people had said the KW was LOWER. The real thing id that Noob is placed HIGHER !!. As already know by Angus comparisons thread the roller zone of the lever has wrong shape.
- KW is good enough but doesn't get the perfect square inner edges of Noob and is a liottle missaligned too. CG pin is very well placed . Roller zone of the lever is the best regarding shape.
- H maker is much more worse. All is worng: rounded square inner edges, rounded all edges even external, there are misaligenements too. But the pin is well placed. The Roller zone is wrong but better than Noob.
Really interesting conclusions here.
ALE
Thanks again Klockis for the pics
Again thank you Ale for the CGs comparison.
If KW got more square inner edges it would be perfect! Now is almost perfect btw.
And as I said before, if H maker want to be on top they must do something with their CGs. They have to improve them a lot to be at same level as Noob and KW.
If KW got more square inner edges it would be perfect! Now is almost perfect btw.
And as I said before, if H maker want to be on top they must do something with their CGs. They have to improve them a lot to be at same level as Noob and KW.