With a clean watch (i.e. no patina) both ostrich and black leather look very good. I usually tend to brown straps so maybe I slightly prefer the ostrich, on the other hand the stitching on the black is perfect so it's almost a draw. Good choices
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KW PAM 382 – Quick Open Review and general discussion ************
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Here are the 3 straps I got...
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They are all beauties. Do you have any other 47mm pams? I am not sure black with white contrast stitching works great with the 382, but it would look awesome on a 389. Black is a jard match with the 382. I didnt even think my sblack strap would work, but the bronze stitching really makes a difference. Panatine has a good return policy you wanted to swap it for something else. I think I got.the.last black and bronze xl and it is not offered in a standard size, but this avacado and copper strap would look amazing:
http://www.panatime.com/neavpebewico2.html
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I have a lot of Pams that they will fit and 2 of them are the KW Bronze 382 and the ZF 389...
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sweet.... the black is gong to look awesome on the 389! I that avacado strap would fit me, I would buy it in a second.
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sweet.... the black is gong to look awesome on the 389! I that avacado strap would fit me, I would buy it in a second.
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Thanks I think the light brown one looks good on the 389 also.. I put if on before but didn't get a chance to wear it yet... If I don't like it I'll switch to the black... Will post pics this week sometime...
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Yeah that middle one is the one I was looking at. I think it'll go really well.
The black looks good too. Didn't think black would work but it does.
I still haven't been able to pay or see any qc pics since I ordered on a friday night. I went straight to the source at kuvarsit since it was cheaper and he's a TD on RWG. I'm hoping to get my WU info and pictures tomorrow.
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The black looks good too. Didn't think black would work but it does.
I still haven't been able to pay or see any qc pics since I ordered on a friday night. I went straight to the source at kuvarsit since it was cheaper and he's a TD on RWG. I'm hoping to get my WU info and pictures tomorrow.
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This watch looks great and I'm about to pull the trigger. What should I look out for when accepting QC pics? I've heard some movements have issues with power reserve but I guess it's just the luck of the draw.
ive also heard issues with misaligned pearl with the markers
screws missing from the back of the movement
is there anything else that I need to be aware off before accepting from QC pics?
The he pearl should be more whitish in colour?
Thanks
ive also heard issues with misaligned pearl with the markers
screws missing from the back of the movement
is there anything else that I need to be aware off before accepting from QC pics?
The he pearl should be more whitish in colour?
Thanks
I'd like to know this too.
One thing from this review is the roller on the crownguard should be inspected
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One thing from this review is the roller on the crownguard should be inspected
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Thanks again set2374 for sharing this job
I have just received my KW PAM382, but I have not had time to make a complete review just a little inspection. I agree it is really well made and with the typical KW quality finish very gen-like. As set2374 says this watch “feels†well finished, but this is just because it is actually well finished.
It is obvious that the watch have several flaws as all the reps, and they are even more obvious since this watch is from the beginning under the microscope. Few rep watches would tolerate such a scrutiny without being discredited.
Regarding the bronze material, I would like no comment about until knowing the chemical analysis, which hopefully I will be able to get a soon as possible if I receive the sample of a 382 case from KW. Therefore we should wait for the final result in order to avoid unnecessary and useless comments. Besides, colour also changes a lot depending on the environment where the watch has got the patina. Anyway the watch seems to have a colour very similar to some gens.
I agree with set2374 that the case is accurate and seems better than ZFac in shape. From NCchef comparison review we know that ZFac case is different to KW case, but we can see by the pics published by set 2374 that KW looks the same as gen. Just we would need some comparison pics with the gen shape that I hope to take them when I have received mine.
KW CG finish is near the level of the gen. The roller support of the lever in set2374 watch is obviously defective and the others that I have seen (mine included) were correct. This KW CG is chamfered on the side edges, but corners, which are more chamfered in gen, are less chamfered or just a bit chamfered in KW. In this regard ZFac is worse because it has not at all chamfered edges or corners. In below pic we can see the gen CG chanfered marked by a green arrow
GEN PAM 382 CHANFERED CORNERS IN CG
Nice to see the rotation working of the KW seems improved in relation to ZFac version. But it is far from the working of a PAM 243 Noob. KW working is smooth, I would say too smooth, it seems even dampened by a very consistent grease, but the snap between steps is not as firm and precise as desirable and there is still a little gap.
Pearl and pearl bezel shape are better in KW version which is just a bit rounded as set2374 says, although KW first batch was a little too greenish. It seems that KW has already corrected the colour to white in current batches (to be confirmed). Anyway, as commented by set2374, the charged lume can give a bit greenish colour even in the gen, many people, used to ZFac version, are comparing the KW with the ZFac instead of with the gen.
Litte dots on bezel seems worse finished, less rounded and uneven in comparison to gen ones. 15-30-45 markers are good enough, although the set2374 watch has the 15 marker a bit off the center. Minute bezel markers between 12 and 3 are similar to the gen but are less crisp and sharp with less clean contours.
Regarding knurling on bezel I think KW has more accurate section shape either horizontal (parallel section to dial surface) or vertical (perpendicular to dial surface). Just I have seen that KW upper external edge of bezel is rounded and no very polished, whereas gen edge is flat machined, very sharp, and nicely polished.
In below pic you can see the horizontal section of the knurling in orange colour. It is evident that Gen and KW are similar, but I’m marking with the green arrow the upper external edge of the bezel and it is evident that KW is rounded and merely polished but gen is flat, sharp and very polished. Anyway better than ZFac knurling overall.
See the horizontal section of KW bezel knurling in bellow pic. You can see that the inner grove has the deepest part rounded just like gen groove. I have marked in orange colour the shape of the knurling horizontal section in gen and KW bezels. We can see the sections are very similar
GEN – KW PAM 382 BEZEL KNURLING HORIZONTAL SECTION COMPARISON
See the horizontal section of ZFac bezel knurling in bellow pic. You can see that the inner grove has the deepest part completely squared, very sharp, whereas gen is completely rounded.
ZFac PAM 382 BEZEL KNURLING HORIZONTAL SECTION (very sharp)
Therefore If we make a direct comparison of horizontal sections of knurlings, we can realize that ZFac has the inner grove very sharp, completely making an angle, whereas KW and gen have completely rounded inner groves. See below pic.
GEN – KW – ZFac PAM 382 BEZEL KNURLING HORIZONTAL SECTION COMPARISON
From NCchef comparison review: http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=187564
I have extracted the side pics of ZFac and KW PAM 382 as follows:
SIDE VIEW - ZFac (left) KW (right) PAM 382 . From NCchef review
In below pic we can see the comparison between vertical section of the three bezel knurlings. Shape is much more accurate in KW, because ZFac has narrower knurling and much wider inferior chamfered edge, marked with the red arrows. Besides, gen has a slightly (but noticeable) “conical†shape just the same as KW, whereas Zfac vertical section is clearly cylindrical. That is showed with the blue lines drawn in below pic. The pic showed is made from a gen pic and above side pic of NCchef comparison review. As we can see ZFac seems a little weird
KNURLING OF BEZEL VERTICAL SHAPE COMPARISON KW – GEN - ZFac
Dial lume dot markers seem to have thinner golden contour like gen because ZFac has thicker contours
As commented by set2374 Ti caseback and back crystal are very good
When I have time I will try to make a complete review with more details of this KW version mainly in case shape and dial layout
ALE
I have just received my KW PAM382, but I have not had time to make a complete review just a little inspection. I agree it is really well made and with the typical KW quality finish very gen-like. As set2374 says this watch “feels†well finished, but this is just because it is actually well finished.
It is obvious that the watch have several flaws as all the reps, and they are even more obvious since this watch is from the beginning under the microscope. Few rep watches would tolerate such a scrutiny without being discredited.
Regarding the bronze material, I would like no comment about until knowing the chemical analysis, which hopefully I will be able to get a soon as possible if I receive the sample of a 382 case from KW. Therefore we should wait for the final result in order to avoid unnecessary and useless comments. Besides, colour also changes a lot depending on the environment where the watch has got the patina. Anyway the watch seems to have a colour very similar to some gens.
I agree with set2374 that the case is accurate and seems better than ZFac in shape. From NCchef comparison review we know that ZFac case is different to KW case, but we can see by the pics published by set 2374 that KW looks the same as gen. Just we would need some comparison pics with the gen shape that I hope to take them when I have received mine.
KW CG finish is near the level of the gen. The roller support of the lever in set2374 watch is obviously defective and the others that I have seen (mine included) were correct. This KW CG is chamfered on the side edges, but corners, which are more chamfered in gen, are less chamfered or just a bit chamfered in KW. In this regard ZFac is worse because it has not at all chamfered edges or corners. In below pic we can see the gen CG chanfered marked by a green arrow
GEN PAM 382 CHANFERED CORNERS IN CG
Nice to see the rotation working of the KW seems improved in relation to ZFac version. But it is far from the working of a PAM 243 Noob. KW working is smooth, I would say too smooth, it seems even dampened by a very consistent grease, but the snap between steps is not as firm and precise as desirable and there is still a little gap.
Pearl and pearl bezel shape are better in KW version which is just a bit rounded as set2374 says, although KW first batch was a little too greenish. It seems that KW has already corrected the colour to white in current batches (to be confirmed). Anyway, as commented by set2374, the charged lume can give a bit greenish colour even in the gen, many people, used to ZFac version, are comparing the KW with the ZFac instead of with the gen.
Litte dots on bezel seems worse finished, less rounded and uneven in comparison to gen ones. 15-30-45 markers are good enough, although the set2374 watch has the 15 marker a bit off the center. Minute bezel markers between 12 and 3 are similar to the gen but are less crisp and sharp with less clean contours.
Regarding knurling on bezel I think KW has more accurate section shape either horizontal (parallel section to dial surface) or vertical (perpendicular to dial surface). Just I have seen that KW upper external edge of bezel is rounded and no very polished, whereas gen edge is flat machined, very sharp, and nicely polished.
In below pic you can see the horizontal section of the knurling in orange colour. It is evident that Gen and KW are similar, but I’m marking with the green arrow the upper external edge of the bezel and it is evident that KW is rounded and merely polished but gen is flat, sharp and very polished. Anyway better than ZFac knurling overall.
See the horizontal section of KW bezel knurling in bellow pic. You can see that the inner grove has the deepest part rounded just like gen groove. I have marked in orange colour the shape of the knurling horizontal section in gen and KW bezels. We can see the sections are very similar
GEN – KW PAM 382 BEZEL KNURLING HORIZONTAL SECTION COMPARISON
See the horizontal section of ZFac bezel knurling in bellow pic. You can see that the inner grove has the deepest part completely squared, very sharp, whereas gen is completely rounded.
ZFac PAM 382 BEZEL KNURLING HORIZONTAL SECTION (very sharp)
Therefore If we make a direct comparison of horizontal sections of knurlings, we can realize that ZFac has the inner grove very sharp, completely making an angle, whereas KW and gen have completely rounded inner groves. See below pic.
GEN – KW – ZFac PAM 382 BEZEL KNURLING HORIZONTAL SECTION COMPARISON
From NCchef comparison review: http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=187564
I have extracted the side pics of ZFac and KW PAM 382 as follows:
SIDE VIEW - ZFac (left) KW (right) PAM 382 . From NCchef review
In below pic we can see the comparison between vertical section of the three bezel knurlings. Shape is much more accurate in KW, because ZFac has narrower knurling and much wider inferior chamfered edge, marked with the red arrows. Besides, gen has a slightly (but noticeable) “conical†shape just the same as KW, whereas Zfac vertical section is clearly cylindrical. That is showed with the blue lines drawn in below pic. The pic showed is made from a gen pic and above side pic of NCchef comparison review. As we can see ZFac seems a little weird
KNURLING OF BEZEL VERTICAL SHAPE COMPARISON KW – GEN - ZFac
Dial lume dot markers seem to have thinner golden contour like gen because ZFac has thicker contours
As commented by set2374 Ti caseback and back crystal are very good
When I have time I will try to make a complete review with more details of this KW version mainly in case shape and dial layout
ALE
TheDonSL
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Thanks again set2374 for sharing this job
I have just received my KW PAM382, but I have not had time to make a complete review just a little inspection. I agree it is really well made and with the typical KW quality finish very gen-like. As set2374 says this watch “feels†well finished, but this is just because it is actually well finished.
It is obvious that the watch have several flaws as all the reps, and they are even more obvious since this watch is from the beginning under the microscope. Few rep watches would tolerate such a scrutiny without being discredited.
Regarding the bronze material, I would like no comment about until knowing the chemical analysis, which hopefully I will be able to get a soon as possible if I receive the sample of a 382 case from KW. Therefore we should wait for the final result in order to avoid unnecessary and useless comments. Besides, colour also changes a lot depending on the environment where the watch has got the patina. Anyway the watch seems to have a colour very similar to some gens.
I agree with set2374 that the case is accurate and seems better than ZFac in shape. From NCchef comparison review we know that ZFac case is different to KW case, but we can see by the pics published by set 2374 that KW looks the same as gen. Just we would need some comparison pics with the gen shape that I hope to take them when I have received mine.
KW CG finish is near the level of the gen. The roller support of the lever in set2374 watch is obviously defective and the others that I have seen (mine included) were correct. This KW CG is chamfered on the side edges, but corners, which are more chamfered in gen, are less chamfered or just a bit chamfered in KW. In this regard ZFac is worse because it has not at all chamfered edges or corners. In below pic we can see the gen CG chanfered marked by a green arrow
GEN PAM 382 CHANFERED CORNERS IN CG
Nice to see the rotation working of the KW seems improved in relation to ZFac version. But it is far from the working of a PAM 243 Noob. KW working is smooth, I would say too smooth, it seems even dampened by a very consistent grease, but the snap between steps is not as firm and precise as desirable and there is still a little gap.
Pearl and pearl bezel shape are better in KW version which is just a bit rounded as set2374 says, although KW first batch was a little too greenish. It seems that KW has already corrected the colour to white in current batches (to be confirmed). Anyway, as commented by set2374, the charged lume can give a bit greenish colour even in the gen, many people, used to ZFac version, are comparing the KW with the ZFac instead of with the gen.
Litte dots on bezel seems worse finished, less rounded and uneven in comparison to gen ones. 15-30-45 markers are good enough, although the set2374 watch has the 15 marker a bit off the center. Minute bezel markers between 12 and 3 are similar to the gen but are less crisp and sharp with less clean contours.
Regarding knurling on bezel I think KW has more accurate section shape either horizontal (parallel section to dial surface) or vertical (perpendicular to dial surface). Just I have seen that KW upper external edge of bezel is rounded and no very polished, whereas gen edge is flat machined, very sharp, and nicely polished.
In below pic you can see the horizontal section of the knurling in orange colour. It is evident that Gen and KW are similar, but I’m marking with the green arrow the upper external edge of the bezel and it is evident that KW is rounded and merely polished but gen is flat, sharp and very polished. Anyway better than ZFac knurling overall.
See the horizontal section of KW bezel knurling in bellow pic. You can see that the inner grove has the deepest part rounded just like gen groove. I have marked in orange colour the shape of the knurling horizontal section in gen and KW bezels. We can see the sections are very similar
GEN – KW PAM 382 BEZEL KNURLING HORIZONTAL SECTION COMPARISON
See the horizontal section of ZFac bezel knurling in bellow pic. You can see that the inner grove has the deepest part completely squared, very sharp, whereas gen is completely rounded.
ZFac PAM 382 BEZEL KNURLING HORIZONTAL SECTION (very sharp)
Therefore If we make a direct comparison of horizontal sections of knurlings, we can realize that ZFac has the inner grove very sharp, completely making an angle, whereas KW and gen have completely rounded inner groves. See below pic.
GEN – KW – ZFac PAM 382 BEZEL KNURLING HORIZONTAL SECTION COMPARISON
From NCchef comparison review: http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=187564
I have extracted the side pics of ZFac and KW PAM 382 as follows:
SIDE VIEW - ZFac (left) KW (right) PAM 382 . From NCchef review
In below pic we can see the comparison between vertical section of the three bezel knurlings. Shape is much more accurate in KW, because ZFac has narrower knurling and much wider inferior chamfered edge, marked with the red arrows. Besides, gen has a slightly (but noticeable) “conical†shape just the same as KW, whereas Zfac vertical section is clearly cylindrical. That is showed with the blue lines drawn in below pic. The pic showed is made from a gen pic and above side pic of NCchef comparison review. As we can see ZFac seems a little weird
KNURLING OF BEZEL VERTICAL SHAPE COMPARISON KW – GEN - ZFac
Dial lume dot markers seem to have thinner golden contour like gen because ZFac has thicker contours
As commented by set2374 Ti caseback and back crystal are very good
When I have time I will try to make a complete review with more details of this KW version mainly in case shape and dial layout
ALE
Amazing review! Keep it coming! Mine arrives tomorrow or Wednesday and I will post pics ASAP...
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Here is the strap I bought. The pic is from Malio straps website.
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Ale, amazing review. I have some comments where I think our experiences differ. I have a full plate at work today, so I'll post a follow up later. Maybe you can use you mod powers to change the title of this thread to get rid of the quick review, since this is becoming a very detailed collective review and discussion.
P.S.
The 382 may not get as much wrist time down the road as other pieces since it is huge and doesn't match lots of outfits, but it is fast becoming my favorite watch. ;-)
P.S.
The 382 may not get as much wrist time down the road as other pieces since it is huge and doesn't match lots of outfits, but it is fast becoming my favorite watch. ;-)